Video Question

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  1. Inquartata

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    There is fencing. The referee makes a call and awards the touch. One fencer requests video review. It is discovered that the system did not function and there is no video of the action.

    So the touch awarded is withdrawn? Is this correct?
     
  2. Goldgar

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    There's an entry in the Referees Commission rules blog that discusses this situation: http://www.refereescommission.org/blog/2017/11/
    It says that there is no explicit rule, but the FIE guideline is that the referee's decision stands, but the fencer is not "charged" for the appeal.
     
  3. keropie

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    No. Without available video, the call stands, and the fencer retains their challenge.
     
  4. swordwench

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    What is *supposed* to happen is that if the action is not captured on video, the call made by the referee stands.

    That said, I saw at least one instance of no video leading to an overturned call (i.e., no call) in Richmond this past weekend. (There were replay malfunctions on the finals strip, from what I heard.) Is this what you were referring to?
     
  5. Allen Evans

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    The pertinent answer is in this blog entry from 2017, I believe:

    http://www.refereescommission.org/blog/2017/11/rules-blog-using-video-replay/

    I'll quote: In the case of video failure, the on-strip referee has sole responsibility for the final decision. If they have already given a decision before a video appeal, that decision stands. However, the fencer making the appeal retains their challenge.
     
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  6. Inquartata

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    Yes.

    There were a lot of people saying "What?!" when that happened.
     
  7. swordwench

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    Yes, this confused me as well. But maybe sabre now has a special dispensation from the Pope.
     

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