SN Div 1 Men's Epee has 159 fencers, but needed 160 fencers for top 64 to earn points

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  1. Rollhigher

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    That's gonna leave a mark!
     
  2. Diesel

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    Down the line it means a smaller national championship competition.
     
  3. InFerrumVeritas

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    This means that the top 32 still earn points though, right?

    Honestly, DIV1 events should be smaller. DIV1A is for people that want to see how they stack up, but aren't trying to go to World Cups.
     
  4. Rollhigher

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    The top 32 do earn points, 33-64 do not unless there are 160 fencers.
     
  5. naysayernyc

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    ... but only the top 32 get points toward team standings regardless of how many fencers there are
     
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    are walk in registrations allowed? at that point, everyone chip in a couple bucks and just find anyone who'll stand there and get hit.
     
  7. Mac A. Bee

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    yeah, that was more tongue in cheek than an actual question. I need to work on my delivery.
     
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    I reffed a women's epee tournament's 14 registrants that paid a roommate's membership and entry to make an A1. The roommate, who had watched for five years, scored several touches!
     
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    I once was at a tournament with 15 people, A1 rated. One fencer got pretty badly hurt in their third (of six) pool bouts. The tournament organizer quite strongly suggested she fence the rest of her bouts (i.e. Just stand there and get hit 1 or 5 times) so the tournament would be A rated (pretty sure a DNF pools doesn't count towards ratings but I'd be happy to know I'm wrong).

    Do people think this was unethical on the part of the tournament organizer? Also perhaps unfair to the fencers in the other pools who don't get a free 5-0 victory?
     
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    We had an RJCC where only one CWE fencer showed up. We drafted a saber fencer, who had never held an epee before, so the event could happen and someone could get points. DE score, 15-14 (for the epee fencer, but barely).
     
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    I suspect just about anyone who's fenced for more than a few years has not only seen that kind of situation, he or she's been the one who says: "I'll gut this out so the rating won't get blown up."
     
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    The greatest ovation I ever received at a tournament was the day I came in the door right at close of check-in during a bad storm and the tournament went from an E1 to a C1.
     
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    Did exactly that in the midst of our State games pool after tearing a meniscus. Iced between bouts to finish pool then reffed DEs. Also guilty of encouraging injured to soldier on.
     
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    For Derek Snyder's last PCC (Pacific Coast Championships for those who remember sections) as a high schooler, he was only able to get together 1 other person to form a team for his club, Masque du Fer.

    What did his father, Don, do? He bought FULL kit for foil and joined the team so Derek could get that last event in...even scored a couple of touches.
     
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    So an event that has 14 fencers, 2 pools of 7, in order to get a rating will get a volunteer to make 15 fencers, three pools of five. And in that one pool of five may be a fencer that has never or only minimally fenced. How is this a stronger tournament and therefore more worthy of giving a rating than a tournament of 14 fencers?
     
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    Somewhere (can't find it quickly) it states pools of 8 and 7 are allowed locally.
     
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    While it may be allowed, I don't think it will be done. (Maybe sabre, but not epee or foil.)
     
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    AH, section 2.16.1, and it's for National events only. Nothing about Local events.
     
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    how is it different than if that 1 person were a competitor who is entering their first tournament?
     

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