Site Selection Survey in today's USA Fencing newsletter

Discussion in 'Fencing Discussion' started by ladyofshalott99, Feb 16, 2012.

  1. ladyofshalott99

    ladyofshalott99 DE Bracket

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2003
    Messages:
    812
    Likes Received:
    61
    For all of us who like to complain about the venue at every opportunity:

    Today's USA Fencing newsletter contains a link to a Site Selection Survey. It's buried pretty far down in a Web Part that's mingled with a bunch of other ad callouts, and easily missed. People here seem to care the most about the locations that are chosen, so it makes sense for as many of us as possible to tell them what we really want.

    It's geared towards getting feedback about National tournament venues, hotel selection feedback, travel feedback, etc. The survey is fairly short, and took me less than two minutes to complete.
     
  2. teacup

    teacup Podium

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2006
    Messages:
    4,887
    Likes Received:
    175
    I think food and entertainment should have been two different categories. To us, good, healthy, fairly priced food and access to grocery stores is important but entertainment is not as important. Of course, others may feel differently.
     
    Last edited: Feb 16, 2012
  3. K O'N

    K O'N Podium

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2006
    Messages:
    3,649
    Likes Received:
    489
    So... The survey is flawed?
     
  4. epeemike81

    epeemike81 Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2001
    Messages:
    4,776
    Likes Received:
    229
    I mean, that's hardly the only place it's flawed... it's a terribly designed survey which is unlikely to tell them anything.

    -m
     
  5. dcrocket

    dcrocket DE Bracket

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    607
    Likes Received:
    59
    Actually, you can only assume that it is flawed. We do not know what they are looking for.:mutant:
     
  6. KD5MDK

    KD5MDK Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    13,294
    Likes Received:
    636
    I think the key question was about paying a surcharge for Tier 1 cities. Everything else is unimportant.
     
  7. hello?

    hello? Podium

    Joined:
    May 15, 2003
    Messages:
    4,464
    Likes Received:
    158
    That question would have been better asked with a 'range' of what you would or would not pay to fence at Tier 1 cities.
     
  8. fencerX

    fencerX Rookie

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2002
    Messages:
    955
    Likes Received:
    122
    Since that's likely going nowhere, the follow the (kickback) money to find the real key question of interest to PSA and USA Fencing ... "Do you currently use the official USA Fencing hotels? If not, please tell us why."
     
  9. Peach

    Peach Podium

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2001
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    788
    Over the years, because of fencing, I've spent so much time in cities I would never deliberately visit. I'm sure they are nice places. South Bend. Cincinnati. Dallas. Lovely places. I wouldn't know. I spend the entire time in a hotel room or a convention center.

    Every other conference I attend, I get to go to neat cities, eat well, and sightsee.

    I'd pay extra to fence in a Tier 1 city, but on the other hand my employer wouldn't pay for it.
     
  10. KD5MDK

    KD5MDK Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    13,294
    Likes Received:
    636
    To be fair, my appreciation for Kansas City, Virginia Beach and Portland is greatly expanded by having gone there for tournaments. But I skipped Des Moines and many others.
     
  11. Inquartata

    Inquartata Podium

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2001
    Messages:
    36,284
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Doesn't that assume that the NO actually cares about any negative opinions they're likely to get on that question?

    If it happens that the results support what they want, great. If not..."Er, the results were favorable, and no, you can't see the actual numbers, just take our word for it".

    Call me a cynic... :(
     
  12. AllezCat

    AllezCat Made the Cut

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2003
    Messages:
    238
    Likes Received:
    20
    "Cynic" is what an idealist calls a realist.
     
  13. Inquartata

    Inquartata Podium

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2001
    Messages:
    36,284
    Likes Received:
    1,203
    Thank you, Sir Humphrey. :)
     
  14. jjefferies

    jjefferies Podium

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2005
    Messages:
    3,622
    Likes Received:
    145
    You need some friends. :blockhead Maybe try switching weapons. VET epeeists are all into finding the best local cuisine, sights, etc.

    Why the difference.

    Self Employed? The poll was a bit weird about what is a 1st tier city. New York I can understand. It's pricey any time. But I've attended NAC's in the suburbs of Chicago. No problem there. San Francisco may be 1st tier but you can still find hotels/motels on the BART etc. Seattle, I don't consider it a 1st tier in terms of expense. Portland as well. And even in New York there are localities. Manhattan, way off the chart but out in the sticks or Long Island?
     
  15. KD5MDK

    KD5MDK Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    13,294
    Likes Received:
    636
    I don't know what convention space in Seattle costs. It might be incredibly expensive. I can't imagine what the Moscone Center costs.
    It's entirely possible we looked at various cities and couldn't get them to work. I know Boston is getting a deeper look, and DC got a big boost from the Capitol Clash. I think we will see some newer and bigger cities coming up.
     
  16. brtech

    brtech Podium

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2003
    Messages:
    2,290
    Likes Received:
    161
    The typical problem for a Tier 1 city is hotel cost. Will you pay $200/nt for a room in a downtown hotel convenient to the venue? That also drives up the cost for staff.

    The venue costs in SOME cities (downtown NY and Chicago) for example tend to be higher mostly because the labor rates are astronomical. The space itself is somewhat more expensive, but not usually the determining factor when all the costs are totalled.
     
  17. indypacers

    indypacers Made the Cut

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2009
    Messages:
    677
    Likes Received:
    4
    another survey, and will USFA really pay any attention to it?
     
  18. fencerchica

    fencerchica Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2003
    Messages:
    628
    Likes Received:
    51
    I wonder if the DC Armory could accommodate a NAC. Great big open space roughly comparable to the normal convention center halls, nice sprung floor, public transportation on the Metro, and surely orders of magnitude cheaper than the actual convention center(s).
     
  19. Peach

    Peach Podium

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2001
    Messages:
    176
    Likes Received:
    788
    You suggest friends and offer me vet epeeists? Heh. As for dining and seeing sights, the places I've gone for professional conferences are generally located in the center of popular areas, so that I was able to be comfortably accommodated, make all my sessions, and still find it convenient to sightsee. I have fond memories of Boston and New York, and San Antonio was delightful when I was there for a conference. As for my employer paying, my employer pays for a lot, including a trip to New Zealand a couple of years back. Not that fencing hasn't taken me many wonderful places, including Limoges, Bath, Moscow, Tampa and Porec, Croatia, but I had to pay my own way to those. And I have to say my hotel in Limoges should have been called the Discomfort Inn.

    At least I haven't had to go to South Bend in January the last few years. Though I miss Palm Springs, just for the scenery.
     
  20. KD5MDK

    KD5MDK Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    13,294
    Likes Received:
    636
    It looks reasonable. Someone might suggest it.
     

Share This Page