I can't figure out how to use the search utility, but this is a semi-new question anyway. Watching MF and WS in the Rio Olympics, it seems to me that in sabre, you lose ROW by withdrawing the arm after starting an attack, whereas in foil, you don't. I got most sabre calls right but lots of foil calls wrong--actions where even in slow-motion replay, the counterattack/attack in prep arrived clearly first and while the attacker's arm was still withdrawn. That is, sabre was being called according to my understanding of foil. It also seemed to me that the sabre refs were much more willing to call simultaneous actions than in the past. I'm not doing the "what if they were sharp?" thing. I just want to know whether my observation tallies with others, and whether that's the way you would have called the actions before learning the Olympic ref's decision.