Pronounciation Guide?

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  1. ThatReallyHurt

    ThatReallyHurt Rookie

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    Hello everyone,

    I've run into a few instances where I've mispronounced something in fencing, or run into multiple pronounciations of things. Given that there are people from all over the planet on this forum, how do you pronounce some of the more common fencing terms/companies/items/etc?

    For example, I've heard (apologies for missing accents):

    Epee: Pronounced as "ep-pay", "ep-pee", "ay-pay", "ay-pee".
    Prieur: "Preear" (rhymed with "fear"), "Pry-er", "Pree-ar".
    Lame: "Lam-ay", "lamb".
    Uhlmann: "Ul-man", "Ool-man".
    Piste: "Pist" (rhymes with "wrist"), "Peest".

    These are just a few examples. Sorry if this is a lame thread, or if it's been covered before.
     
  2. D+F+P=Hadouken!

    D+F+P=Hadouken! Rookie

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    Epee: Ep-ay
    Sabre:Say-Bur
    Foil: Stoo-pid
    Piste: Pissed
    Lame: La-May
    Vniti: Va-neeti
    Riposte: Rip-oast
    Parry: Pair-ree
    Salle: Saul
    Sylwia: Sil-wee-ah
     
  3. Zilverzmurfen

    Zilverzmurfen Rookie

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    I think you'll get some very different answers depending on who'll respond to that.

    For instance I do not recognise any of the 'pronounciations' you suggested. I suppose I would actually have to hear you say it to know if I agree or not.

    I'm trying to 'adjust' my ears to US Speech Mode but I'm not sure I would recognise the french/german/russian since the letters are pronounced so much differently.

    So - as you say in the US - I'll rest my case! :)
     
  4. wildmoppet

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    Epee:ep-pay
    Prieur: Preear (rhymed with fear)
    Lame: Lah-may
    Uhlmann: Ul-man
    Piste: Peest.

    But hey that just me.
     
  5. glowstix

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    epee: eppay
    ulhmann: oolmaaaan
    piste: peest
    prieur: pre- er
    lame: lamay
    salle: sall
    pret? (ready?): prrey
    allez!: allaay
    sylwia: SEXY :blah:
     
  6. Alain

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    This is the proper (French) pronunciation. Spelt phonetically by a half-English-half-Frenchman (the '-' indicates where the stress should be)..............
    Épée: epay
    Prieur: pree-er
    Lamé: larm-ay
    Uhlmann: Ul-man
    Piste: peest
    Blade: larm
    Weapon: arm
    Guard: kok-e
    Fleuret (foil): fler-ay
    Sabre: sah-brah (lots of phlegm needed)
    Parry: pa-rade
    Riposte: ree-poust
    Counter-attack: contratak
    En garde: on garde
    Prêt: pray
    Allez: al-ay
    Halt: alt
    Salle: sal
    Oh, bugger: mer-DE
    Ar$e (a$$, in American): poooo-ta de bore-del de mer-de
    You git: sal-lo, or: kon-nar
    Are you blind, ref?!: enc-coo-LAY!!!

    Further vocabulary available upon request... :D
     
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  7. The Armourer

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    ... a year fencing in France and thats what you get for your money!!!!
     
  8. mrbiggs

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    Is lamé really larmé in French? Or is it spelled like we do, but pronounced that way for some reason? Or is that a typo? (I always assumed it was lamay)
     
  9. Epee_Pox

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    Epee = EP-pay
    Prieur = pwee-URR
    Lame = laa-MAY
    Uhlmann = OOL-mon
    Piste = PEEST
    Riposte = ree-POAST
    En garde = on-guard
    Allez = al-LAY
    Salle = SAHL
     
  10. mrbiggs

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    salle is pronounced like the a in Al, not awnings. Right?
     
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  11. Epee_Pox

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    ?? How are those two "a"s pronounced differently? They rhyme with the "o" in "hot" as well as the "augh" in "caught" and the "ough" in "ought" and all the "a"s in "fa la la la la, la la la la"
     
  12. mrbiggs

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    How about the "a" in Al, pal....wtf. Why did I write "shawl"?
     
  13. Alain

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    Yes, it really is. It's difficult to spell phonetically, but when you see an 'é' in French, it is pronounced 'a' or 'ay' in English.

    Yup.
     
  14. Zilverzmurfen

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    I think you should bear in mind that Alain is british (well, half french-half british) and brits don't pronounce the letter R as 'thick' as you do in the US.
    So drop the R.
     
  15. Alain

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    Exactly, I am a Franglais. It's really difficult to explain how things should be pronounced, in words, with a million different types of English accent flying round. The main thing is that if someone doesn't understand you, just speak REALLY loudly, and sloooowly, and point and make big hand gestures. Careful what gestures, though... ;)
     
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    Actually, I had never hear the word lamé until I came to the United States. French fencers call their lamé a "cuirasse electrique" which roughly translates to "electric steel jacket:" http://www.cartel-escrime.com/catalog/default.php?cPath=32_45&language=fr

    I think that "lamé" is a French word that might have been used at some point in the French fencing world, but isn't nowadays.

    Lamé, according to my French dictionnary is actually an adjective that is used to specify that some sort of fabric has been embroidered with some metal.
     
  17. mrbiggs

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    OHHHHHH, thank you. I forgot to factor in the British part. That's good, then.
     
  18. ThatReallyHurt

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    Hey - this is great! Way more than I was expecting!

    Thanks everyone for your input, I really appreciate your help.
     
  19. Pancakes

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    I have a far harder time with some of the weird *** foreign names of some of the coaches...
     
  20. Alain

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    Ah, now that's a lot more confusing! As long as you give it a go, most people will know who you're talking about...

    My surname is from Poland: Barbasiewicz. Oh, and my coach's name is from Wales: Llewellyn... :rolleyes:
     
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