Paris, speaking to the US epee team

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  1. Gav

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    Hi All,

    Appreciate that this might be a long shot but...

    Does anyone know any of the guys who will be fencing in Paris at the SNCF next week? I'm interested in speaking to any of the epeeists and/or coaches.

    A simple introduction should be enough. I have a couple of questions to ask, maybe a favour and [if they have the time] I'd like to interview them for my podcast.

    I should have asked this question sooner!!
     
  2. dcchew

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    Here is a list of American fencers that are suppose to be there. It's from the USA Fencing tournament website.

    Bratton, Benjamin

    Canaux, Gabriel

    Ewart, Stephen

    Hadzic, Alen

    Hoyle, Jacob

    Kaull, James

    Koch, Samuel

    Kraft, Dennis

    McDowald, Curtis

    Mecke, Cedric

    Nollner, Dylan

    Rodney, Adam

    Schumacher, Cooper

    Shindler, Oliver

    Simmons, Ariel

    Tsinis, Alexander

    Weiss, Lewis

    Yoo, Justin
     
  3. Ancientepee

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    Not true. That's a list of those who registered to enter. Each country is limited to 12 entries and so some of them are on the "wait list" and will not be there unless there are withdrawals. Only those shown as "approved" on this list are likely to be there.
    https://member.usafencing.org/details/tournaments/3611
     
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  5. K O'N

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    Hey, as long as you're there, how about walking around one day and taking pictures of every french grip you see, with any notes you can get? Fencer name, who made the grip, what kind of blade, approximate weight, etc. I'd love to see a post or hear a podcast about that.
     
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    same, I'd love that sort of info
     
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    I'd love to hear/see this with all grips, not just French.
     
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    Or save the walking around and instead wait till Budapest and make friends with one of the volunteers working control. Everything will go through control there.
     
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    Also, measure each grip in all dimensions with calipers, and weigh them with a digital scale. You can never have too much pernickety detailed information about every little thing for epeeists. :D
     
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    Epee:Saber = Scalpel:Axe
     
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  11. Gav

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    Bloody hell. That's a load of work! Will see what I can do but no promises.

    During the day fencers gear isn't going to be handed over to a complete stranger but I might see if we can introduce a bit of french grip chat..
     
  12. Gav

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    This makes more sense... I didn't see it until after I'd posted my response.

    I am in Budapest for the individual events (photography only).

    I've got to be honest guys, a lengthy chat about the minutiae of grips doesn't sound terribly interesting to me. As a photographer I know a lot of people do nothing but talk about gear but gear isn't where the magic happens.

    Same in fencing imo.

    Can we tease out what you think this subject is about?
    Or what insight you're hoping for?
    I can add it to discussion points for the athletes we sit down with.
     
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    It's about what top athletes' setups are. There's an almost complete dearth of information about how top epeeists, especially french grippers, set up their weapons, what grips they like, how much cant, etc.


    I realize not everyone is an equipment mavin, but honestly. Every tennis magazine or golf magazine or biking magazine in the world publishes extensive equipment reviews. Fencing is not special or different, equipment is important here too. And there's a lot of interest, look at the responses you got in a few hours in this thread. If you published a picture review of the top ten twenty fencers' weapons, setup, cant, and a few comments on what they think is important and how they've evolved in what they like I guarantee you'd have people reading it for years. Especially french grip, since there's such a huge variation in how you can pick components and how you can set the epee up.

    And yet there are entire magazines and enormously popular web sites devoted to exactly that. Weird.
     
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    I'm not at all sure about the ethics of photographing or measuring someone's equipment and then publicizing that without asking them first.
     
  15. Gav

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    TBH: that doesn't mean anything at all.

    I know quite a few photogrpaphers now. We all agree that gear isn't where it's at. That doesn't mean that magazines, dedicated to gear shouldn't exist.

    That gear doesn't sell itself!
     
  16. Gav

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    We could anonymise it...
    If a particular athlete wants to talk about their set up. I'm happy to give him/her that space.
     
  17. Gav

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    I know what you're saying.
    For me, fencing isn't about gear. That's a limiting view of what fencing is. Gear doesn't really give you a leg up- or rather it gives you a tiny advantage and by the time it matters you know how your gear works.

    Here's how I tell my kids to appeoach this discussion:

    What can you control? Control it.

    But things like weapon sets, or particular gear is a very individualised discussion.

    I will say this though, we haven't talked enough about gear so I am happy to take the request and see what I can make of it.
     
  18. sdubinsky

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    You mean if I buy a new DSLR it won't make me fence better?

    I would be interested in:

    * Have you ever tried the other kind of grip? What did you think?
    * Who's your biggest challenge on the strip?
    * what's the toughest win/worst loss you've ever had?
    * how much do you care about the team events, really?
     
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    If by DSLR we meant grip/shoes/blade/jacket/mask/plastron/bag..... yes.
    Sure.
     
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    For me this discussion isn't about gear making someone fence better. But, I suspect certain grip choices are preferred by fencers that prefer certain primary actions. It's more about trying to correlate a particular fencing style and set of primary actions to grip choice. This could help a lot when recommending grips for mid level fencers to try without them needing to invest hundreds of dollars trying everything on the market to see what they like.

    It wouldn't require a catalog of all fencers, but just periodically taking a few shots of the grips used by the fencers in the final. When watching professionally produced video, they often used to have close ups of the weapons and grips when cutting between shots. That's all the level of detail that I would need to find this useful.
     
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