LvL 5 referee requirement

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  1. jjefferies

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    Two questions:
    1. I'm trying to locate the original document which specifies that qualifiers have to have a level 5 referee. So far I've failed to locate it in the latest versions of The Athlete's Handbook, The USFA's Ops Manual, and I've even looked through the Fencing Rules Manual and some other minor docs. Could be I'm just missing it. Also is that requirement mentioned elsewhere or the referee's duties spelled out in any detail?

    2. The Fencing Rules Manual edited by Omar Bhutto is of course the english translation of the FIE manual which sets the rules for FIE run tournaments. But does it have any official or legal mandate for USFA sanctioned tournaments?

    thanks
     
  2. oiuyt

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    The requirement "To require organizers of Divisional and Sectional Qualifying Tournaments for National Championship tournaments arrange that at least one referee with a rating of five or higher is present at such events in order to achieve some minimum quality assurance." was passed by Board resolution in July, 2002. The minutes of that meeting are available on the USA Fencing website.

    Here is the rationale that was provided with the motion (present in the agenda from that meeting):

    Which document do you mean when you say "The Fencing Rules Manual?"

    Omar Bhutta (note spelling) is the editor of the USA Fencing rulebook titled "Fencing Rules." It contains the official USA Fencing rules, but is NOT the English translation of the FIE rulebook, which is kept and maintained by British Fencing.

    -B
     
  3. tdwg83

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    8.3.1.4 of the Ops Manual
    4. Organizers of Divisional Qualifying Tournaments for National Championship tournaments mustarrange that at least one referee with a rating of five or higher is present at such tournaments in​
    order to achieve some minimum quality assurance. [BOD July 2002]
     
  4. Omar Bhutta

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    1) The location of this rule is documented in the USFA Board of Directors meeting minutes from July 2002. It is not currently documented in the Operations Manual or the Athlete's Handbook, and I've previously requested that it be added. I suspect you will see it in the next update of the OM. It can also be found in the Division Operating Guide.

    2) It is important to note that the official English translation of the FIE rules is maintained by the British fencing Association, not by me. The document I am the editor for is the official rulebook for United States fencing, and does have differences when compared to the international rules. It is created under the authority of the FOC and the Board of Directors of the USFA. This document is the authoritative source for the rules of fencing in the United States.

    Hope that helps.
     
  5. jjefferies

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    Thank you it does. Other local documents will need to be upgraded to reflect what I find there.

    But not withstanding the board's earnest hopes that the presence of a level 5 referee will help improve the qualifying tournament is there any other detailing of that person's duties?
     
  6. Omar Bhutta

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    Other than the BoD motion above and the text quoted from the old OM, the only text that discusses it is the Division Operating Guide written by Buzz Hurst. It is available on the USFA website at http://usfencing.org/resources/division-officer-resources .

    See Chapter 4, Tournament Management:

     

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