Losing ratings

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  1. Asibov Sobelo

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    At what point do you lose your rating and what does it change to? For example, if a fencer was a B2014 last season, are they still a B14? At what point do they lose their B and what does it become?
     
  2. Mac A. Bee

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    "Athletes Handbook" '17-.'18: "*2.2.4 How long is a classification valid?* Classifications are valid for four seasons after they are earned. If, after four seasons, the classification has not been re-earned, it then reverts to the next lowest letter and the then current year. Such change will be effective at the beginning of the new fencing season – August 1. For example, if you earned a B in 2009 (B09) and did not re-earn your B for four more years, your B became a C13 on August 1, 2013. If you then did not re-earn your C13 for four more years, it becomes a D17 on August 1, 2017."
     
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    Which is REALLY irritating if your opponent once held an A, but is now the best D in the room.
     
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    Someone once told me that ratings used to roll off every 2 years, possibly as recently as the 1990's. Can anyone confirm/deny this or speak more to the history of USFA classifications?
     
  5. SJCFU#2

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    For a definitive answer you might try asking Ancientepee, who has had been involved with the rating system for decades. However I don't recall the year even being included as part of a rating until sometime in the late 80's or early 90's (prior to that it was merely a letter, and D and E ratings were still relatively new).
     
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    It's been 4 years every since I've been fencing (31 years now). It did used to be that classifications did not expire, but there was an "XA" (i.e., ex-A) for A classified fencers who had formally retired from regular competition. The 4 year decay came in the early 1980's, along with D and E classifications; previously there had been only A,B, and C classifications.
     
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    jdude97, you might be confusing us with Canada, which (when I had a Candian rating back in the 90s) would expire in two years. That was some time ago, and I don't know how their ratings are structured currently.
     
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    I'm just quoting what a former US nationally competing fencer in the 1990s told me (so no relation to Canada). Glad to learn the true facts. Thanks, all.
     
  9. Purple Fencer

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    When did you stop earning a rating 2 below yours? I remember A foilists being Cs in saber and epee
     
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    I believe 1999 was the last year classifications in the off weapons were awarded. This was done in connection with the change from Open NACs to Division I NACs.

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    For those who haven't found it, yet, the current USA Fencing Athlete Handbook is available at https://www.usafencing.org/athlete-handbook.

    In case it wasn't clear from Mac A. Bee's reply / the handbook, any fencer who still had a B14 at the end of July became a C18 on Aug 1, 2018.
     

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