Is first blood fencing against the law in countries such as France, Britain, Germany?

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    Wholesalers have a array from which to choose, including some with value-added features. Quite a few manufacturers have introduced toilet chairs with a heater a feature; or a function, which have applications in both commercial and residential markets.

    "We take personal hygiene (bidet-like function) bathroom seats," said Rich Amaro Jr., vice president/operations, General Plumbing Supply Co. (Walnut Creek, Calif.). "We sell about one a week. The market potential is rather great as people age."

    "There is a market for a self-closing toilet chair," said Larry Merritt, president, Nu-Way Supply (Utica, Mich.).
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    "Most of those specialization seats I've seen are space-age appearing," said Greg McCravy, showroom manager at Plumbing Distributors (Lawrenceville, Ga.). He explained 85% to 90% of the bathroom fixtures he sells look traditional. "The heated seats might have the potential to sell a little better"

    One of the firms making these chairs are The Senlund Group, Bemis Manufacturing Co., Toto Kiki USA, Kohler Co., Vital Home Products and American Standard.

    Senlund has developed and patented a self-dosing toilet seat that's being manufactured and sold by Olsonite Corp. and Ginsey Industries. The hinges, manufactured and marketed by Senlund, feature the HydraGlide closing system, which empowers "The Considerate Seat" to automatically close itself after a predetermined period of time without batteries, power or plumbing. It installs like a seat and contains an adjustable lowering time, which can be stopped manually.-Read more information

    The product is featured on the firm's Web site, www.considerate-seat.com, said Ken Wiklund, president and chief operating officer. Senlund was shaped inventor, by Wiklund and Tim Seniuk.

    Vital Home Products has introduced the LeVeale auto seat system, an automated toilet seat which allows the user to raise or lower the seat with the wave of a hand.

    "Currently we're in the commercial marketplace," said Jacqueline Gadson, director/sales and promotion. "Demand for this sort of product is growing, particularly in public facilities where people do not want to touch the fixture. We hope to accomplish the residential market within the next 12 to 15 months"

    A motor mounted replaces a toilet seat and drives the chair.

    Bemis has begun selling a toilet chair stated Boyd Miller, group product director.

    The Bemis Ruisseau bidet toilet seat has one for cleansing, twin nozzles. A control panel triggers five nozzle pressure configurations and three water temperatures.

    "This kind of merchandise won't be our No. 1 seller," Miller said. "It is not inexpensive. It has a niche industry. Our job is to build awareness in the business and then with customers."

    Bemis has plans to market a toilet seat with a slow-close hinge, which lowers both, lid or the toiletseat with a finger's touch.

    Toto offers a number of toiletszones seats with unique features, ranging from "warmlets," that have heated seats, to "washlets," which have water spraying nozzles. The business has two models of bidet-function toilet chairs and also a "SoftClose" seat. The Chloe chair, that has attribute purpose and a water spray, will be released at this year's K/BIS, said marketing communication manager, Newbold Warden. The Zoe seat includes a remote control.

    "We sell about $500 million worth of chairs in this class annually (globally)," he explained. "We are just building the market in the U.S.. The predominant sale is to high-end customers. In Japan, 26% of all homes have a washlet toilet seat. It is a phenomenally large group and rewarding. It might be a really rewarding add-on sale for kitchen-and-bath traders and wholesalers."

    Kohler's "Peacekeeper" toilet seat has a seat-activated automated flushing mechanism. The bathroom, with no exterior trip lever, is flushed by shutting. The chair is available on selected models

    The Savona toilet of american Standard has a seat with seat ring and cover, so fingers do not have to touch china or the seat when raising the lid. Additionally, it has a "Rise and Shine" hinge for quick removal without tools.
     
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    Well, I think they still do mensur in Germany and a few other countries. That would probably do the trick.

    I'd be very surprised if anything like that were legal in the UK.
     
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    I cannot speak to specific countries in Europe, but I imagine it varies. Most jurisdictions often allow consent as a defense to many crimes. However, most serious crimes do not have such an exception. For instance, in Wisconsin, consent is a defense to simple battery, but consent is not a defense to substantial battery or aggravated battery. A contract could likely not totally protect the participants from prosecution.
     
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    I have often wondered why boxing ( and MMA ) are treated differently from duelling. Both involve consensual engagement in physical violence which may result in serious injury or even death. One could, with modifications to the swords used and protective gear, make a duel safer than a boxing match. Yet the latter is legal, the former not.
     
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    I would think it's obvious why hitting someone with a fist inside a padded glove is considered as vastly different to stabbing them with a sword.
     
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    Did you even read the third sentence?
     
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    Yes I did, but it's irrelevant.
     
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    As indeed are your remarks.
     
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    All rules of European or American dueling that I know pf prohibit 'first blood' dueling. An offense to honor required real blood, not pinpricks: a real risk of death or incapacitation.
    So there could certainly be another sport made as safe as auto racing, boxing, or MMA, that used swords and ended at first blood.
    Of course, it would have to be dueling saber-like, not dueling epee-like.
    I'd sure watch.
    In terror.
     
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    And then, there are these guys:

     
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    Doable...

    It would have to be a Mensur style weapon. But would depend on the target area.

    If just the head = mensur fencing rules.

    If the body = Exposed body from the waist up; You need protection for the neck, eyes and nose.(I would also do gloves that protected the wrist.)

    You need a very Light bladed sharp weapon (similar to the current FIE sabre) so that it won't cut too deep. With a very blunt tip to prohibit the danger of thrusting.

    People could get some interesting body scars. Low likely-hood of death, but still more bloody and dangerous than MMA etc...

    It would never get off the ground.
     
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    You could do it even with foils or epees. Just make a point which though sharp would not penetrate more than an eighth of an inch or so. Enough to draw blood and no more. Some protection for the eyes and maybe the throat and bob's your uncle.

    If you went in for such things.
     

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