FWF Screwless Epee Tip

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  1. jjefferies

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    i recently tried out an FWF screwless epee tip, courtesy of Dwight Chew. In general I liked the tip. The central post appears to be somewhat thicker than Estoc's and therefore I thought more robust. And the screw in tip has a longer barrel which meant that the central post could be longer to accommodate a regular contact spring. (Estoc's which is similar, by comparison, requires shortened contact or special contact spring.) But after a couple of weeks of use - and I used it constantly in preference to other weapons - the tip died when the central post pulled free and came completely out of the tip. It appears that it is held in place by a relatively small plastic washer and when the occasional blow of tip on bell guard happens the end cap (what you see as the actual tip end) can be separated from the tip. Just a heads up to anyone who might be interested. It looks a lot like the Estoc screwless epee tip just with some refinements. If they can get the central post better attached inside it will be a superior design as it has less stiction than your ordinary epee tip with screws. One more iteration of design should just about do it.

    BTW, I've had the same thing happen with Estoc screwless tips but very infrequently. Not sure if this was just a statistical fluke or if there is some inherent design flaw.
     
  2. dcchew

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    This type of failure is uncommon. I had the same type of failure with a conventional FWF tip last week at practice.
     
  3. damianip

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    Nice photo Damianip, in the case I'm looking at the stop got pulled through the plastic washer and the post with contact spring and stop popped out of the tip. Weak point is the plastic washer. Surprised that it stayed together as much as it did.
     
  5. Don Treanor

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    The biggest problem I have with these is that because of the "novelty" of the screw less design I have had armorers unscrew them to see how they worked. In the process of checking them out the contact spring gets kinked or otherwise out of adjustment (I know, I like to keep them on the razors edge of passing) and if I forget to check them, or don't have time, I end up on the piste with an Epee that fails the gap test. The lesson here is never rely on your club armorer to set these up as you will need to check them after weapons control and you will need to know how to adjust/replace the contact spring.

    This one is my own fault, I have also had a tip that was loose and came partially unscrewed during a bout. Trust me, know matter how hard or how many time you hit something if the tip is slightly unscrewed it will never register a hit.

    For the problem you had with the tip, my guess is that the contact spring stop became loose and the total gap on the point increased enough that you caught the tip on a bell guard and pulled the tip out through the plastic washer. To have the contract spring stop pull through the plastic washer you needed to have the point catch on something as you pulled back.
     
  6. Mergs

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    It depends on who your club armorer is. :)
     
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    No, it depends on whether or not your club armorer is at the tournament to reset the the tip before you fence. ;)
     

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