FIE Congress - Discussion

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  1. Allex

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    The goal is to be out of debt by August 2014, first 3 fiscal months ##'s are showing that we're on track but some (minor) variables are missing.
     
  2. Allex

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    from the FFR website:
    Selections were made for the host cities of the next two Senior World Championships : Kazan (Russia) in 2014 and Moscow (Russia) in 2015. Moscow's rival for the rights to host the Championships was San Francisco (USA), however, after comparing the conditions of staging the event and opportunities for the competitors, unanimous decision was made in favor of the Russian capital.
    http://rusfencing.ru/cntnt/novosti/novosti1/n19571.html

    We were biding for 2014 AFAIK.
     
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    Upon the receipt of our bid Kazan's was not finalized nor submitted, there are a few Russian articles stating so.
    In their defense at that time Kazan and Tatarstan had much bigger issues to deal with.
     
  4. Purple Fencer

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    So 2018 at earliest, then. Or is 2016 open?
     
  5. Allex

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    '16 is only two events (if IOC refuses to add 2 medals in Rio) - TMS + TWF.
    '19 would make more sense than '18

    Zonals are also important prior to Olympics - my understanding is that '14 will be in Puerto Rico, '15 in Chile, and '16 are open - that can be an opportunity.
     
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  6. hello?

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    I thought (but could be wrong) that we had submitted a bid for 2015, against Moscow (as this paragraph says). When Bulgaria said they could no longer host 2014, the FIE asked us if we would do 2014 (instead of what we originally wanted). That's why they had offered the financial incentive. Then we were late. Kazan submitted their bid. Kazan got it. (I don't know if our late bid was considered or not.)
     
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    The board approved the 2014 bid, there was some discussion about 2015 a few months ago - but that was pretty much it.
    We submitted our 2014 bid weeks before Kazan - there are documents and press articles that confirm such. Also, nowhere in FIE documents there is a deadline for the 2014 submission AFAIK, as it was pretty much an emergency situation.
     
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    So, when can we expect to see any of the FIE rules changes show in the USFA rule book?
     
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    First, the FIE needs to publish the exact English translation of the rule they voted on. This usually takes a few weeks before we (FOC) get a copy.

    The FOC then reviews the proposed changes and will prepare opinions on whether and when we should adopt them (immediately) or for next season. This then goes to the Board for approval. Only then will the rule book be updated. Hard to say what the realistic timeline is...could be quick, could be next season. If there are major changes, it is possible some rules could change prior to next season. Will have to wait for the full congress results.
     
  10. hello?

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    So the "absence of blade" part of the NC rule (the whole rule brought about by an absence of thinking, as far as I am concerned) will still be in effect in Dallas. Too bad.
     
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    We are not out of the woods yet...

    From the above:

    The proposed change for passivity, removal of the no blade contact, 15 seconds aspect is not passed yet. Too many conflicting views so it was sent back to a super-committee for review and a new, unique change for the congress to support.
     
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    So it's at least another year, prolly...
     
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    I wonder what the "conflicting views" are. Seems like a no-brainer.
     
  14. hello?

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    Absence of brains.
     
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    So...shenanigans?
     
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    It will come down to how referees choose to interpret it and how its phrased. As has been said a lot of foilists don't seem to like the idea that the other fencer can now get a parry by virtue of attacker error. It would seem to me that a lot of actions would look the same, just perhaps a little tougher to make complicated beat parry calls since it will now also require assessing whether the attacking action was on the proper part of the blade.
    It wouldn't surprise if this has almost no impact at top level (how often do you see a beat attack to the forte without the opponent reacting with a parry closing the line anyways). How it gets interpreted lower I dread to think
     
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    Gotta wait for Don and Sam's clarification , once they're back.
     
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    Didn't we tell you to stop commenting on anything involving money? You know less about finance than your average mint plant.
     
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    The same way it works at local sabre tourney, perhaps??
     
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    Let me get this straight, they want to change the foil rules so that a beat to the lower third of the blade is considered a parry by the opponent? Why? Do we want even more counter-attacks in foil?
     

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