English grip

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  1. Pt_fencer

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    I have used some English grips and I like him but I don't know if would be best trade my foils grip or just start taping in that case what's the best way to tape foil Visconti n3 pbt grips
     
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    English grip...if you mean a Gardere -- a French-pommeled almost kinda sorta French grip with prongs coming off....it's illegal (you can grab the pommel and still hook a finger around one of the prongs so you don't trade strength for reach). Move to a legal grip.
     
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    I think he means what we, in the US, colloquially refer to as "Belgian".

    @Pt_fencer is this the sort of grip you're talking about when you say "English"?
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    Historians: source?
     
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    And this is why it is so difficult to discuss (or regulate) grips based solely on names.
     
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    Gardere grips are not legal in the USA or Canada for competition but there are a few places where that is not true. There is also nothing stopping you from using them in training. It was the grip I first learned on almost 40 years ago. I still use it periodically to coach in both epee and foil.
     
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    The restriction on such grips (M.4.6) is in the FIE Rules. If there are any places that are allowing them (and I'm not aware of any), then they are making a specific exception to the FIE rules (much like the US does for things like allowing the name to be on the back leg). Mind you, I did once encounter a Gardere that had slipped through at a Veterans World Championships (I alerted the SEMI rep after encountering it). This was a case of control staff being mainly teenage volunteers with one local coach and the SEMI rep overseeing them.
     
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    I'm not talking about the gardere grip
     
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    A picture would really help.
     
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    As an expat Briton I would postulate an English grip would be made of wood and missing key parts that are no longer available.
     
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    With the assembly instructions in a long dis-used filing cabinet, having no pictures and long-written instructions.
     
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    and made by Leyland
     
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    Leaks oil. Wrapped in hemp. Assembled with a backwards-threaded brass insert, not included, should be available from any competent local farrier. Sizes in fractions of a stone and metric, see chart, also not included. Color: British racing green. Did I mention it leaks oil?
     
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    Those are only the new ones.
    The originals run on steam.
    But are still drafty in the winter.
     
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    Which is also why the Brits like their beer at room temperature - Leyland also makes refrigerators. Not to mention that British room temperature is 40degF!
     
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    And screw holes drilled in such a way that only 11 of the 12 line up, no matter how you configure the parts.
    (literally what it was like assembling and commissioning an MRI magnet made in Oxford)
     
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    well... as opposed to American beer?
    which is "like making love in a canoe"*?





    *i.e., F$%#ing close to water
     
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    You need to drink around more. Give an idea where you are, and we can recommend some non-water beers. East-PA has Victory and Weyerbacher for example.
     

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