AskFred's demise seems to have been called prematurely

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  1. Mac A. Bee

    Mac A. Bee is a Verified Fencing ExpertMac A. Bee Podium

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    Already happening. Organizers have stopped optioning paid- versus unpaid registrations display, instead showing all undifferentiated - some even padded. Was useful tool.
     
  2. mfp

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    Yes, some people are bad about that. Some change their club affiliations or whatever in askFred without making or verifying the changes are in the USFA database. That's those fencers' responsibility / problem, not the event organizers'.

    While I believe FT now has an option to specify which field(s) are / aren't checked against the USFA data, organizers really shouldn't use it to skip club affiliations. Use the clubs fencers have listed in the USFA data.

    If it's so important to the fencer that a certain club be listed, tell the fencer to get it changed in the USFA data. Organizers who use club affiliations from askFred info are just "feeding the bears" and contributing to the problem. Those organizers are spending time making things worse not better.

    Organizers should really validate memberships again even if they already validated a fencers' membership earlier in the season. Fencers can have memberships suspended. Do you really want to be an organizer who let a suspended member fence in an event?
     
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  3. Mac A. Bee

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    I had a clubmate who fenced "Unattached" so that he would be put in pools with a weaker clubmate.
     
  4. ReadyFence

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    Nice. I hope the “weaker” guy rose up and smoked him.
     
  5. Zebra

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    I don't know whether you've been on the other side of the check-in desk, but I can tell you that a BC who treats customers like that is going to have fewer customers at his/her next event.
     
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  6. K O'N

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    I suggested to Peet years ago that displaying a fencer's historical probability of showing up next to their name would have a good effect on this sign-up-but-don't-show behavior. If you've signed up for ten events in the past year and only shown up to four, a little .4 would appear next to your name, and for event strength calculations the site could count you as .4 of a B, or whatever your rating.

    If you just showed the number, I think, it would make people behave better. Peet didn't think it was a good idea, so it never got tried out.
     
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  7. Inquartata

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    Absenteeism shaming? Tsk.
     
  8. Mac A. Bee

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    There are two clubs in our vicinity that have a "naughty list", i.e. after the second time of registering but not showing you are only allowed at-the-door registration if there is room.
     
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  9. mfp

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    A variant of this was tried out, minus the public shaming bit. Several years ago I tracked preregistration vs attendance at Bay Cup events (so lots of data) and individual fencers' historical signup vs show up rates were among the items calculated. The idea was use the info to forecast event sizes - didn't care so much about the rating of the events. Fencers' overall historical probability numbers were useful; other factors proved even better. Some methods for how to find such factors and incorporate them into models ended up in a bunch of commercial software and patents. (I was the chief software architect of a start-up doing analysis, modeling and forecasting software for capacity planning at the time.)

    Yes, there are heaps of examples and research that prove that. Oddly, you don't even have to show the number to get people to behave better. Just letting people know that you are (or will be) tracking some related number gets better behavior.
     
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  10. naysayernyc

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    Finally something USFA registration took from askfred that is useful. Now it will calculate a possible rating for a tournament based on current registration and there is a popup link to the ratings chart for a quick check.
     
  11. naysayernyc

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    Now of course esimated ratings for tournaments are on the usfa web site
     
  12. mfp

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    However nearly two months into the season, the USFA site looks to be still missing one of the most basic and useful features askfred provided RYC/SYC/RJCC/ROC events: RESULTS.
     
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    The results can usually be found on both sites - but for how long? With askfred you could go back years and it could be searched by fencer so you could see the results as far back as a fencer was registered. You didn't need to know what tournaments were entered. They all showed up except nationals - really useful for youth fencers. This is where 14 meters came in handy to fill in all the gaps and put everything at your fingertips. 14 meters got wiped out by the USFA website change. Now you have to know exactly what tournaments were entered and look them up individually. You can't easily see progress. Fencing books are useful but impossible to search quickly. Online askfred and 14 meters was really useful for coaches as well so they could keep tabs on multiple fencers.
     
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  15. naysayernyc

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    Fencing time live only has results since the beginning of the year (2018). Live fencing results only goes back until August 2016.
     
  16. giraffe

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    I have to say, I've used a lot of databases over the years, and askFRED has one of the most user-friendly interfaces of any of the systems I've ever interacted with.
     
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  17. Inquartata

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    Which is why it cannot be permitted to live. Where does it get off, making other sites *cough* US Fencing *cough* look bad? If it won't conform to the mean, it must die.
     
  18. teacup

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    Since events can still be listed on AskFred, maybe organizers could continue to upload results, then AskFred could charge a small fee to post results for events that don’t have registration on their site.
     
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  19. TooLoftheDeviL

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    Organizers could upload results right now if they wanted. Registration isn't necessary. The problem is that the USA Fencing registration site doesn't have the askfred IDs of the fencers, so it will prompt you to reconcile each and every attendee.
     
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    If AskFRED wants to remain relevent by being a one stop place for all results, it could sort out these issues and then charge a small fee to organizers to post and store results.
     

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