2018 Keystone Location and Turnout

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  1. jkormann

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  2. Zebra

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    It's part of a much bigger program, and the host region this year is Luzerne County. That said, hockey is going to be in York this year (figure skating has always been in York, and in February).
    Registration is definitely crummy so far, largely because York and Harrisburg were convenient for Baltimore and DC fencers, and Hazelton is too far to attract NJ and NY fencers.
     
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    York is nice.
    Most any fencers from what I'm seeing.
     
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    $65 an event and spectators have to pay? $115 to register late? Shocking there's no turnout ...
     
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    Then there's this goodness:
    **KSG charges an admission fee for spectators (anyone not competing, officiating or volunteering). Spectators include family members, and coaches, of the athletes. The following passes are available:
    $10 Daily Fee
    $15 "Two Day Pass"
    $20 "All Event Pass" good throughout the tournament.
     
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    That's charged by the KSG organization and not by the fencing people.
    It's why I kept my credential from when I worked the hockey tournament.
     
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    Nobody I know of has ever checked whether you're a spectator or not.

    There is no one signed up for the veteran women's sabre and two people for the open women's sabre, one of them someone whose mom signed her up for every possible event on the East Coast, so even though I live in Pennsylvania it doesn't look like I'm making this year's event.
     
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    I'm half-tempted to sign-up and get a 3rd place in Sr Epee or Sabre

    I've long believed that with a competitor who is under 17, one parent (or guardian) should get admission. We have safe-sport, but that's not the same as having a parent keeping an eye out. Especially for Y14 events.
     
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    In figure skating, that's usually the practice (though not at Keystone): to include one free admission for a chaperone, though you have some competitors who are 9 or 10. But avoiding that admission fee might be an incentive for a parent to compete!
     
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    I had fun at the KSG, although I don't know if I had $65 fun. It's cool to see the other sports going on around you.
     
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    All the Y14, junior, and vet events were cancelled, and men and women had to be combined in senior foil and sabre.
     
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    To quote a realtor, "Location, location, location."
     
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    Did KSG combine fencing with other sports in the State Games, and was that the reason for the change of venue? While I can see the value of an Arnold-like sportsfest, I have been to state games in two states and in both, the Fencing was run by the largest club or division head, the same as a large local ROC...
     
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    Yes, KSG is a big multi-sport event, and the organizers must have got a better hosting bid from Luzerne County than from York or Harrisburg/Hershey. Don't know who is organizing the fencing, but the sanction is from NE PA division rather than Central PA.
     
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    I think this is one of those events where the hosting of the event is moved around periodically to share the pain.
     
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    Not really. The local tourism and commerce organizations like to have events like these which will bring thousands of visitors to their areas.
    BTW, I looked up State Games of America for 2019, and they'll be in Lynchburg VA.
     
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    I wouldn't consider Hazelton, PA to be a hotbed of tourism and commerce.
     
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    Well, maybe not for fencing, but since this year's KSG (for various sports) are being held in and around Luzerne County, maybe some of them will bring those visitor dollars.

    I never even heard of the "State Games of America". It seems medalists from participating states' games are eligible, as well as all relatively local residents.
     
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    Yep. Every two years, usually in smaller cities like Grand Rapids MI or Harrisburg PA, though they were in San Diego in 2011. It's not a big event for fencing but in some other sports it's huge. For figure skating, it's the single largest event in the country, if not the world: about a thousand skaters, some of whom are in multiple events. Across all the sports there's a total of over 10,000 participants.
     
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    No fencing in founding-year 2005 or nor will be next.
     

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