I don't think anyone specifically wants to exclude you, or for you to exclude yourself. I, for one, have no idea who you are (and I'm fine with that). However, you seem displeased with the state of, let's call it 'competitive foil.' However, there are a great many people (referees, fencers, and coaches) who have a large amount of agreement and general happiness, with the way foil is currently interpreted. Certainly not everyone, and many people have some changes they would like to see, but general consensus exists. In fact, your example above is remarkably unlikely to be seen as attack or line from the left by most people who participate in 'competitive foil.' (I assure you had the official called that for the left, FotR and his coach would have flipped out). You have made passionate arguments for strictly adhering to the rulebook; that's not crazy. However, that's not where current 'competitive foil' is. The rulebook is, in the opinion of many, too stagnant and represents an older style of fencing that is not practiced in 'competitive foil.' It's not that it's wrong, it's just that it's different. And it's not that it's better, per se; but unless/until more people in the power structure of international fencing agree with your stance, it's not going to change. I will say the tone of your arguments (and ccadet's) do not translate all that well. Perhaps it is the language, or perhaps it's your actual opinion, but the tone feels like you are both saying that anyone who agrees with the current interpretations in 'competitive foil' is some combination of stupid, dishonest, immoral, and wrong. While many of us might have some of those qualities, it's not accurate to say that's most or all of us, or that that's why we practice 'competitive foil.' I hope that you (and ccadet) find some fulfillment either in current fencing, an improved fencing, or where ever; but nothing so far from either of you have convinced me that current foil would be improved by a strict reading of the rulebook (and honestly, the rulebook is really not a well written document).