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Old 02-06-2004, 06:55 PM   #1
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A Third FORCE in international politics?

I got this from one of my Democrat friends.
BTW, the G&M think they're Cda's national newspaper...and Torontonians think that Toronto is the CENTRE of the Universe...
[I guess NYT and NYC are the US equivalents? No?]

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Mess From a Canadian view, read this interesting piece!

You won't read this in a US publication - - From the Toronto Globe and Mail, February 4, 2004
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Mr. Bush's credibility has suffered its biggest hit to date with the publication of the weapons report by David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector and CIA adviser who said no weapons now exist in Iraq. Ottawa's foreign-policy makers, while largely vindicated, aren't boasting about it. But the hope here is that Mr. Kay's repudiation will diminish some of the sense of moral righteousness coming from the Bush White House.

Though it wasn't publicized at the time, Prime Minister Paul Martin got a sense of that sanctimony when he met with Mr. Bush in early January in Mexico. Mr. Bush let the Prime Minister know that he believed himself to be on the side of God and tending to God's mission.

The Canadian side, while aware of the President's penchant for religiosity, had been expecting to talk more about softwood lumber than the Ten Commandments. The Canadians didn't expect the morality play. Nor did they expect that, almost in the same breath, Mr. Bush would be filling the air with the f-word and other saucy expletives of the type that would surely leave the Lord perturbed. Nor did they anticipate a pointed attack on French President "Jack Cheerack," as Mr. Bush called him, for his views on the Middle East.

Mr. Martin was somewhat taken aback by what he heard. After the meeting, he was barely out the door before he was asking someone in his entourage what was to be made of all the God stuff. In meetings of presidents and prime ministers, religion has rarely been at the forefront. Business is conducted on the basis of knowledge and logic. With the Bush White House, the visitors must bear in mind that there is a third force.

With U.S. voters, he scores well for his religious views. It gives him moral clarity. In Canada, it hasn't helped his image. As a Maclean's poll reveals this week, this President is one of the most disliked in history. His sense of sanctimony combined with the right-wing warrior mentality is a potent non-seller. So much so that Paul Martin need not worry about rushing back to see him any time soon. If the Prime Minister wants to hear morality plays, there's a church just up the street from his Sussex Drive home.

[24 Sussex Dr's the Cdn PM's official home, cf. the White House for the US and #10 Downing St for the UK PM, Palais Élysée for the Presient of France, the Kremlin for the Russian Fed. - PK]
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What does this have to do with fencing?
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wow, i am really surprised bush used the f-word in a public speech.... where was this, is there a transcript?

and tireur, this is "water cooler", ie things that have nothing to do with fencing.
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a517dogg, it appeared first in the Main Fencing Discussion...

I figured since no one paid any attention to the conspiracy theory, he's just trying to stir things up another way.

Those wacky canadians.........
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and tireur, this is "water cooler", ie things that have nothing to do with fencing.

MY deepest apologies.

My finger was too quick or my brain was in Neutral and I posted this in Fencing Discussion in stead of Water Cooler by mistake and I reported myself to the Moderator and had this moved hence the confusion by dog.

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Old 02-07-2004, 01:11 AM   #7
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wow, i am really surprised bush used the f-word in a public speech.... where was this, is there a transcript?

and tireur, this is "water cooler", ie things that have nothing to do with fencing.
This was in a side-meeting, a get-to-know-you meeting between the new PM of Canada, Paul Martin and President Shrub during the Conference of the Americas in Mexico in 2004, Jan.

It was not in a speech.

It is common practice among top leaders, be it political, business, etc. to use what religious folks would call profanity in private meetings. That's what makes the US TV stations' bleeping of so-called foul language hypocritical when even kids use it as common currency in school yards.

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Well since Canadians don't vote down here I guess it really doesn't matter much if they like our president or not. Lord knows I haven't been fond of a few of their people over the years either and it didn't seem to upset them any.
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This was in a side-meeting, a get-to-know-you meeting between the new PM of Canada, Paul Martin and President Shrub during the Conference of the Americas in Mexico in 2004, Jan.

It was not in a speech.

It is common practice among top leaders, be it political, business, etc. to use what religious folks would call profanity in private meetings.
Oh...so in other words it's what they'd call in a court 'hearsay', then. We have only the report of some folks who are on record as opposing Bush and his policies and probably not liking him very much. Is that about the size of it?
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