Super Bowl

[darius]

Oh no, bare breasts! How immoral! If you want to talk about poor taste, how about the song they were singing at the time of the incident...

darius

[Soldier]

Originally posted by labouche
I don't care....I still think it was wrong. Morality is falling so low in this country.....and we wonder why things like aids and rape is are so high. It's cause everywhere you look the media is flaunting sex as the greatest thing in life. The media is rasing a generation of hedonists!
-Elijah

No, parents are not raising their children, who, left to their own devices, become hedonists - which is perfectly understandable if you take into account human nature combined with the wealth of this country. The media's just making money off of it. Whether the breast itself or the songs that are out there today, it's still the same basic problem: Nobody feels like parenting their kids anymore.

[Black Jeebus]

How can people harp about how morally wrong the nude form is. Most people who complain about nudity are extreme religious people. What could possibly be a better tribute to god than humanity. The human body is not something that should be hidden away for shame of being exposed. I think we should become more open minded about this sort of thing like most of the Europeans. Clothes weren't invented to hide our bodies they were invented to protect us from the environment.

[Soldier]

Nudity in and of itself is not by any means a bad thing. The problem is sexuality - that is not something to be flaunted. The way nudity is used in most of modern society is not natural, but sexual in nature. That is what is wrong with it.

Think in terms of men. Is there anything wrong with walking around your backyard on a summer day with no shirt, because it's hot? No. At least I damned well hope not, or I'm in big trouble. Is there something wrong with pulling your shirt off on the street to flex for the woman you're hitting on? Yes. That should be kept to private. A bit rough, perhaps, but I think the basic analogy works.

[achilleus]

Originally posted by labouche
It's cause everywhere you look the media is flaunting sex as the greatest thing in life.

Help! I think I've been brainwashed by the media to believe that!



Seriously people it's breast, not the end of western civilization as we know it.

We all got breasts. True most men's look different from women's but we all got 'em. And chances are, we're all going to see some of the opposite sexes. It ain't that big a deal.

It worries me that I grew up in a country that views the female body and sexuality as a destructive and dangerous thing. Organized groups (FCC, MPAA, etc...) all tell the media the same messages, violence is ok, but sex is bad. Growing up, I was able to watch all sorts of violent, gory movies, and everyone was OK with that. Sex or nudity however was determined to really be bad for me.

It worries me that a president can be impeached for lying about sex with a woman who isn't his wife, but it's OK to mislead the public and send people off to war.

'Sex is bad, violence is good' is a very dangerous message to send out to our nation. But it seems to be the very message we have been sending out for years.

[Army Fencer]

I've been thinking a bit about this one...

I don't care that she showed what she did, but I still think this entire event is deplorable. It's sad that this has to underscore a tremendous athletic achievement...

Seriously, that was an awesome game!

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by Soldier
The problem is sexuality - that is not something to be flaunted. The way nudity is used in most of modern society is not natural, but sexual in nature. That is what is wrong with it.

Flaunting anything is questionable, but neither is sexuality something to be ashamed of and hidden. whenever the message is sent that something is shameful, it becomes a forbidden fruit. Take Europe as an example: more open about sexuality, far less ashamed. lower incidence of STDs, unwanted pregnancies.

-m

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by achilleus
It worries me that I grew up in a country that views the female body and sexuality as a destructive and dangerous thing. Organized groups (FCC, MPAA, etc...) all tell the media the same messages, violence is ok, but sex is bad. Growing up, I was able to watch all sorts of violent, gory movies, and everyone was OK with that. Sex or nudity however was determined to really be bad for me.

It worries me that a president can be impeached for lying about sex with a woman who isn't his wife, but it's OK to mislead the public and send people off to war.

'Sex is bad, violence is good' is a very dangerous message to send out to our nation. But it seems to be the very message we have been sending out for years.

ay, there's the rub.

-m

[achilleus]

Originally posted by Army Fencer
I've been thinking a bit about this one...

I don't care that she showed what she did, but I still think this entire event is deplorable. It's sad that this has to underscore a tremendous athletic achievement...

Seriously, that was an awesome game!

I've been to super bowl parties for years. This was the first game that people actually watched from the end of the half time show and the 4th quarter. The first time I saw people actually about the half time show and the part of the game more than the commercials.

Super Bowl Sunday is referred to as the biggest drinking holiday of the US. How does a little sex make such an event deplorable?

Wasn't it only a few years ago that one of the stars of the super bowl was being investigated in relation to a murder?

Janet showing a quick glimpse didn't affect the game it all. Everyone getting all excited over something no one present at the game could see, and only on replay did people on tv see is ridiculous.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by achilleus
Super Bowl Sunday is referred to as the biggest drinking holiday of the US. How does a little sex make such an event deplorable?

not only the drinking, but the brutality of the game as well.

from the Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Clearly, the NFL wants no part of this tawdry display. The NFL is about good, clean, vertabrae crushing, paralyzing, bone snapping fun for the whole family, and won't tolerate even a millisecond of partially covered breast.

from Outside the Lines on ESPN
I certainly don't think that this was any worse than close-ups of Jake Delhomme calling a Patriots player a M- F-er.

Such close-ups occur regularly, and it's always clear what's being said. frequently, in fact, the booth makes some off the cuff remark referring to the profanity. yet a little flesh is what degraded the morals of the event? An event which had commercials such as a lit horse **** setting a woman on fire. Sorry, but the Super Bowl has NEVER been good, clean family entertainment.

-m

[achilleus]

Originally posted by epeemike81
not only the drinking, but the brutality of the game as well.

That whole sex vs. violence thing is really bizarre.

Especially once you start breaking down the game of football, and it's clear sexual undertones.

Originally posted by epeemike81
Such close-ups occur regularly, and it's always clear what's being said. frequently, in fact, the booth makes some off the cuff remark referring to the profanity. yet a little flesh is what degraded the morals of the event? An event which had commercials such as a lit horse **** setting a woman on fire. Sorry, but the Super Bowl has NEVER been good, clean family entertainment.

-m

The comment I liked was It can't be any more difficult to explaina breast on during the super bowl than it can can be to explain all the drinking and sex commercials (cialis).

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by epeemike81
such as a lit horse **** setting a woman on fire...

****?? they blocked f@rt? wtf???

-m

[Army Fencer]

Originally posted by achilleus
Super Bowl Sunday is referred to as the biggest drinking holiday of the US. How does a little sex make such an event deplorable?

The sex doesn't make it deplorable. The fact that it clouds over the athleticism of the players does make it deplorable. For example, if an American athlete earned a gold metal in say, sabre (or any other sport, really), I would hate to see press attention given to a streaker at the opening ceremony instead.

I agree with your comment that the halftime show was no worse than the commercials. Honestly, the halftime show is not really a big shock after the nature of the commercials and their use of low-brow humor.

[darius]

Jake Delhomme calling a Patriots player a M- F-er.

What the heck? He was calling his own receiver a M- F-er.

Or, more specificially, "a bad mother f-er". He also clearly mouthed the word "Shaft", which might lead one to conclude that it was a reference to the Isaac Hayes song. That's not profanity, that's funky!!!!

darius

[achilleus]

Originally posted by Army Fencer
The sex doesn't make it deplorable. The fact that it clouds over the athleticism of the players does make it deplorable. For example, if an American athlete earned a gold metal in say, sabre (or any other sport, really), I would hate to see press attention given to a streaker at the opening ceremony instead.

I agree with your comment that the halftime show was no worse than the commercials. Honestly, the halftime show is not really a big shock after the nature of the commercials and their use of low-brow humor.

It doesn't cloud over the players achievements in any way.

Commentators were aruging if this is one of the top 5 super bowls ever. I actually watched, for the first time ever, the 4th quarter.

The only talk about Janet and her show is coming from people who find it offensive. If they didn't get riled up about it, it wouldn't be a big deal.

[Army Fencer]

Originally posted by achilleus
It doesn't cloud over the players achievements in any way.

The fact we're talking about Janet Jackson instead of Tom Brady is evidence that it is clouding over the players' achievements.

I do agree that it was one of the best Super Bowl games ever played.

[epeemike81]

Originally posted by Army Fencer
The fact we're talking about Janet Jackson instead of Tom Brady is evidence that it is clouding over the players' achievements.

I do agree that it was one of the best Super Bowl games ever played.

I think you and achilleus are talking across each other here:

Achilleus is saying that while the ISSUE is clouding over the player's achievements, it is not the fault of the act itself, but rather the fault of the dumbass reaction to the events by moralistic prudes. Where it not for this holier than thou judging, it would not be an issue. Personally, I'm just amazed that they found time to ***** about it. Between checking the betting lines, placing bets in one of the 618 different ways you can bet on the Super Bowl, drinking, eating tons of food (gluttony), and ordering a copy of the "Making of the Patriots Cheerleader Swimsuit Calendar" DVD, I don't really know how they found the time. I guess, though, when morals are THAT important to you, you make the time.

btw, the betting line thing wasn't a joke. seriously, one fairly typical online casino had 618 different types of bets involving the super bowl.

but, you ARE right that we should be talking about Brady. he is, after all, the best quarterback in the league (note: I didn't say the best PASSER in the league).

From Dan Shaughnessy of The Boston Globe
In three years he has delivered two Lombardi trophies. He is only the fourth player in NFL history to win two Super Bowl MVPs and the other three are Bart Starr, Terry Bradshaw, and Joe Montana. Brady did it earlier than any of them. He is 40-12 lifetime as a starting QB, never has lost in overtime, and is 6-0 in the postseason. Sunday he completed more passes (32 of 48, 354 yards) than any quarterback in Super Bowl history. Twice in three years he has directed winning drives with just over a minute left on the clock. The comparisons with Montana no longer are frivolous.

-m

[achilleus]

Originally posted by Army Fencer
The fact we're talking about Janet Jackson instead of Tom Brady is evidence that it is clouding over the players' achievements.

As a red blooded heterosexual male, I would rather talk about Janet Jackson than Tom Brady. But if you guys really want to talk about Brady, be my guest.

Originally posted by Army Fencer
I do agree that it was one of the best Super Bowl games ever played.

That's what all the announcers have been saying. I wouldn't really know.

[KShan5[PrFC]]

Originally posted by epeemike81
I think you and achilleus are talking across each other here:

Personally, I'm just amazed that they found time to ***** about it.

They block f@rt but not *****...?

but, you ARE right that we should be talking about Brady. he is, after all, the best quarterback in the league (note: I didn't say the best PASSER in the league).
-m

I agree 100%. Even Elway didn't win to MVPs.