[CFML] 'et la' --- 'and there!'

[maggie and wayne]

Hi all.
Angus here, the new 'lurker' from near Montreal Canada.
I'm more into Living History (French & Indiand wars & American revolution, but have always loved fencing and many of my reenactor
friends now 'fence' at events for fun.(We carry muskets by day but foils & epees after hours for fun)
That said, the 'et la' question is indeed French. It means literally, 'and that' or 'and there'
'Take that' is close but slightly misses the mark (couldn't help the pun) (g)

I'm mainly interested in rapier and how the 'short sword' would have been used in the 18th century.
Any hints, pointers ect will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Angus MacCaw
Rogers Rangers

Here's my 'units' web page if interested.
http://reenacting.net/qhc/

PS I would love to meet some of you at one of the many historical event weekends we have during the summer.
We are all around the Lake Champlain area and get to Fort Number 4 on the Conneticut River in early August.
Anyone interested let me know.

classicalfencing@yahoogroups.com wrote:

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> Topics in this digest:
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> 1. Re: expression: "et la" or perhaps "he la"
> From: "stuydaze" <stuydaze@yahoo.com>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:13:10 -0000
> From: "stuydaze" <stuydaze@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: expression: "et la" or perhaps "he la"
>
> --- In classicalfencing@yahoogroups.com, "Max P. Bernstein"
> <astrochem_2000@y...> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > A friend and I (both of who fenced a bit in high school and college)
> > were wondering about this expression we used to hear people say when
> > they hit. It was "et la" or perhaps "he la." Are any of you familiar
> > with this expression, and if so do you know what spelling is correct?
> >
> > Max
>
> I think it's something you say rather than spell!
> Ken's right on ther money, it's a european "kiai," a yell designed to focus the timing,
> attention & breath.
>
> The french say (phonetically) "eh la" with the thrust. If you thrust & remise at an
> obsinate opponent you might say "La! Eh la! which would translate into the ever
> popular "Take that! And That!
>
> Hungarians, on the other hand say "Ho pa!
>
> Ho pa la!
> --Jeff
>
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[Bob Lyle]

As for Rapier let me suggest William Wilson's site as a place to start.
Also his excellent book, _The Art of Defence_.

For Short sword, if you mean a hanger (cutlass, briquet) there is little
evidence. The best guess would be to treat it like a saber, as in Angelo.

If you mean a "smallsword", the ancestor of the epee, I can strongly
recommend the works of Domenico and Henry Angelo, but they are out of print.
Mark Rector's _Highland Swordsmanship_ contains the early 18th century
smallsword manuals of Hope & McBane.

For on-line, look here http://www.sirwilliamhope.org/lsd/
and http://www.aemma.org/onlineResources/library_18c.htm has online copies
of L'Abbat's and Godfrey's smallsword manuals, and Angelo's "Hungarian and
Highland Broadsword"

Bob Lyle

----- Original Message -----
From: "maggie and wayne" <mmagm@videotron.ca>
To: <classicalfencing@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Fencing List" <aten-rapier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: [CFML] 'et la' --- 'and there!'


> Hi all.
> Angus here, the new 'lurker' from near Montreal Canada.
> I'm more into Living History (French & Indiand wars & American revolution,
but have always loved fencing and many of my reenactor
> friends now 'fence' at events for fun.(We carry muskets by day but foils &
epees after hours for fun)
> That said, the 'et la' question is indeed French. It means literally, 'and
that' or 'and there'
> 'Take that' is close but slightly misses the mark (couldn't help the pun)
(g)
>
> I'm mainly interested in rapier and how the 'short sword' would have been
used in the 18th century.
> Any hints, pointers ect will be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> Angus MacCaw
> Rogers Rangers
>
> Here's my 'units' web page if interested.
> http://reenacting.net/qhc/
>
> PS I would love to meet some of you at one of the many historical event
weekends we have during the summer.
> We are all around the Lake Champlain area and get to Fort Number 4 on the
Conneticut River in early August.
> Anyone interested let me know.
>
> classicalfencing@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> >
> > There is 1 message in this issue.
> >
> > Topics in this digest:
> >
> > 1. Re: expression: "et la" or perhaps "he la"
> > From: "stuydaze" <stuydaze@yahoo.com>
> >
> > __________________________________________________ ______________________
> > __________________________________________________ ______________________
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 22:13:10 -0000
> > From: "stuydaze" <stuydaze@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: expression: "et la" or perhaps "he la"
> >
> > --- In classicalfencing@yahoogroups.com, "Max P. Bernstein"
> > <astrochem_2000@y...> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > A friend and I (both of who fenced a bit in high school and college)
> > > were wondering about this expression we used to hear people say when
> > > they hit. It was "et la" or perhaps "he la." Are any of you familiar
> > > with this expression, and if so do you know what spelling is correct?
> > >
> > > Max
> >
> > I think it's something you say rather than spell!
> > Ken's right on ther money, it's a european "kiai," a yell designed to
focus the timing,
> > attention & breath.
> >
> > The french say (phonetically) "eh la" with the thrust. If you thrust &
remise at an
> > obsinate opponent you might say "La! Eh la! which would translate into
the ever
> > popular "Take that! And That!
> >
> > Hungarians, on the other hand say "Ho pa!
> >
> > Ho pa la!
> > --Jeff
> >
> > __________________________________________________ ______________________
> > __________________________________________________ ______________________
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > The CFML is sponsored in part by Purpleheart Armoury, now carrying
rapier blunts and leather gorgets. http://www.woodenswords.com
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/classicalfencing/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > classicalfencing-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> The CFML is sponsored in part by Purpleheart Armoury, now carrying rapier
blunts and leather gorgets. http://www.woodenswords.com
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> To visit your group on the web, go to:
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>
>



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[Sam Talebbeik]

What is the equivalent of "et la" in the Italian school of fencing ?

Sam

> > > > A friend and I (both of who fenced a bit in high school and college)
> > > > were wondering about this expression we used to hear people say when
> > > > they hit. It was "et la" or perhaps "he la." Are any of you familiar
> > > > with this expression, and if so do you know what spelling is correct?
> > > >
> > > > Max


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