12-28-2003, 07:36 PM
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| Fencer of the year 2003
Escrime-Info, the French version of Fencing.net has a number of polls running right now to vote for fencer of the year in each weapon.
Take a look at this page, which has links to all the polls and current results: http://www.escrime-info.com/modules/...p?forum=28&347
and cast your vote! You can do so until January 7th.
In women's sabre and men's sabre, there are 2 American nominees.
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12-28-2003, 08:09 PM
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| A bit biased for the French fencers, n'est-ce pas? In the men's foil list, they have Lepechoux, Coutant, Ferrari. None of them being as strong as some others not listed like Nassibouline, Or, and some of the Chinese fencers. They didn't list Attelly, though (or Boidin).
Haven't checked all of the categories, as the links seemed a bit slow to upload.
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12-28-2003, 09:18 PM
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| yeah, and sicne it's a french site a most of the votes are for french fencers, so not EXACTLY a balanced poll. . . 
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12-28-2003, 09:25 PM
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| The epee list is completely biased. No italians, none from Germany, where's Kardolus? Only one from Hungary. Sepulveda from Spain wasn't there. Where's Soren Thompson?
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12-28-2003, 09:26 PM
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| Yeah Soren's the bomb!!
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12-28-2003, 09:46 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by edew
A bit biased for the French fencers, n'est-ce pas? In the men's foil list, they have Lepechoux, Coutant, Ferrari. None of them being as strong as some others not listed like Nassibouline, Or, and some of the Chinese fencers. They didn't list Attelly, though (or Boidin).
| Agreed for the men's foil list. I'd have liked to see more foreign fencers.
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12-28-2003, 09:48 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by edew
The epee list is completely biased. No italians, none from Germany, where's Kardolus? Only one from Hungary. Sepulveda from Spain wasn't there. Where's Soren Thompson? | There really wasn't much to say about the Italians and the Germans this year in individual events... They didn't do that well in the world championships, nor did they place high in the world cups. Kardolus could have made it into the list, I guess, if it wasn't for his behavior on the French national circuit tournaments... I think that's probably why they didn't shortlist him.
Soren's not well known in France, but he may make it into next year's list, who knows?
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12-28-2003, 09:49 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by The0ne
yeah, and sicne it's a french site a most of the votes are for french fencers, so not EXACTLY a balanced poll. . . | Well, nothing prevent's you from voting and giving a more international color to the vote... I personally didn't vote for French fencers all the time...
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12-29-2003, 12:59 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by veeco
Well, nothing prevent's you from voting and giving a more international color to the vote... I personally didn't vote for French fencers all the time... | Neither did I !
The choice was made to give a list of 10 fencers in each weapons :
- the 4 medallists during world championships
- the top 4 of World Cup
- as it is a french website, the french fencers who got a medal during European Championship
- and the choice was made to put at least 3 french fencers by weapon
In ME, Van Laecke should have been listed more than Kardolus, because he is far better than Kardolus when fencing in France. He won 2 French Nationals big tournaments this year, and a big one also in Germany. But the choice was to put European Championships medallists.
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12-29-2003, 03:34 PM
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| Yeah, as I said it's biased, but who cares, it's still a really cool idea!!! Salvatore (I think) Sanzo was my vote for MF, Italians have such an interesting fencing style!!
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12-29-2003, 03:53 PM
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| And what about John Moreau??
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12-29-2003, 03:54 PM
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| he didn't make the top 8 at the World Championships!!
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12-29-2003, 08:02 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by The0ne
Yeah, as I said it's biased, but who cares, it's still a really cool idea!!! Salvatore (I think) Sanzo was my vote for MF, Italians have such an interesting fencing style!! | The italians are totally solid in their fencing. The only possible weak spot is their women's team epee.
I predict there will be an italian medalist in every event in the 2004 Olympics.
The Russians are strong in sabre and epee and women's foil, but their men's foil is iffy and their women's sabre is in a bit of a decline (my guesstimate).
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12-29-2003, 08:07 PM
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| I really only pay attention to Men's foil, but I already bet to my fencing friend that Italy will take the team MF.
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12-29-2003, 09:33 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by The0ne
he didn't make the top 8 at the World Championships!! | When was the last time that a 50+ year-old fencer captured the gold medal for a senior championship competition in any of the TOP 10 countries for that weapon? | |
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12-29-2003, 09:43 PM
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| uuuuhhhhh, I dunno. Yes it was an impressive feat, but it wasn't an impressive INTERNATIONAL feat, like Soren Thompson getting top 8 at the World Champs was. . .
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12-29-2003, 09:53 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by JEC
When was the last time that a 50+ year-old fencer captured the gold medal for a senior championship competition in any of the TOP 10 countries for that weapon? | Last year, Phillipe Boisse won the National championship in France, in men's epee. I guess 2003 was just a year for veterans... ;-)
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12-29-2003, 11:21 PM
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| Hey I can't get upset that the pole is a little biased towards the french. French fencers are the coolest!!! | |
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