Montreal jr. world cup

[Fencing Mom]

Hi,
Some questions for those with experience. My son would like to fence in the upcoming Montreal Jr. World Cup. We have just read the USFA athlete's handbook on this and he's ready to send in his request for an FIE license, but the handbook is not exactly clear on some points. This is not an "A" tournament, in fact there will be no points awarded to Americans competing, so he can just enter himself, correct? He has "USA" stenciled on his lame, but does he need the shooting star on his knickers, too? Any other tips for someone fencing his first Canadian tournament?
Thanks . . . merci beaucoup!

[Craig]

The Canadian events I've been to in the past (Montreal Sr. Cup) have not been very strict about that sort of thing. Of course, they could have tightened up over the last couple of years.

Anyone been to last years' event?

You could also shoot over to www.fencing.ca and see what the CFF has to say about it.

Craig

[vigia]

We went last year, interesting experience. You should get the FIE license, but you are correct, you just sign yourself up for the tournament unless you are WE. This is a designated event for WE. You don't need FIE equipment to fence (although I'd highly recommend it), and you don't need USA on your lame or shooting stars on your knickers. It is onlyl Senior World Cup events where these things are required.

If you fence a ROW weapon (foil or sabre, be prepared for different calls than you are used to, and be prepared to feel like an outsider and possibly the victim of favoritism. Some great refs last year, and some who seemed only capbable of giving two-light touches to Canadian fencers. Get used to it, that's part of what happens at international competitions.

[Lemberg]

I would not say that Canadian judges display any more buyous than American or any other referees (when we Canucks go down south for a tourney we also notice this buyous working against us). I think it's more of teh case that some things get called differently in USA than they are in Canada (esp in foil). Otherwise Canadian tourneys aren't taht much different than American, except, prepare to be judged in French almost exclusively, however you can always ask them to translate the call into English I suppose. Otherwise - enjoy Montreal - it's a great city eh.

[edew]

Originally posted by Lemberg
I would not say that Canadian judges display any more buyous than American or any other referees [...]

Heh, heh. Interesting way of spelling bias. Maybe you should have spelled it, "buy-us".

[SJB]

I think it's more of teh case that some things get called differently in USA than they are in Canada (esp in foil).

I'd agree with this statement. The difference in calls is noticeable. However, it's nothing to worry about.

As for Lemberg's spelling:

On nyeh gavaryoo pa-angleeske .

Or at least not as his mother tongue.

[vigia]

Originally posted by Lemberg
when we Canucks go down south for a tourney we also notice this buyous working against us

Sorry to have implied that Canadian referees were biased. I don't think that is the case. I'm sure that as you say, when Canadians come here, it feels the same way. I was just trying to give a heads up that they should prepare themselves for a different experience that is part of the game. I'm sure it would be the same fencing in France, Turkey, or Singapore. I think it is good practice, and it was a good experience for us.

[The0ne]

Vigia,
You don't need FIE stuff??? I'm pretty sure you do, or that is what my coach away from home in Montreal told me. And I'm also sending my Lame to be done, because I'm pretty sure you need that too. . . I'm just going by what the FIE rules are though, I haven't actually been to a WC.

Also I've been to many tournaments in Canada and the directing is the same, if not better quality as it is in the USA. The calls are just a little more preperation oriented (don't try and get away with crazy marching attacks, and if you bobble your tip, you're screwed. . .) How long does it typically take to get a FIE lisence?? Because I am sending it off on Monday, and the registration deadline for the tournament is the 9th of Jan.

[Agent_V]

Originally posted by SJB
I'd agree with this statement. The difference in calls is noticeable. However, it's nothing to worry about.

As for Lemberg's spelling:

On nyeh gavaryoo pa-angleeske .

Or at least not as his mother tongue.

Lemberg русский?
Но конечно, ты не русский, что ли?

-Шурик

[hscoach]

I thought the directing in men's saber was equal to a US tournament. Beudry (forget which brother-think it was the older), who won, deserved to win.
It might take a little while to get your FIE card but you will receive the number (combination of your birthdate) pretty quickly. If you do not have it in time email C. Greenman at USFA and maybe she can help you. I do not think you need the card as long as you know your number.
As for FIE, last year I remember seeing some local fencers without FIE knickers but I believe everyone out of country was marked and dressed properly.
Hopefully not a problem for any fencers participating-they did have someone doing drug testing.

[The0ne]

thanks hscoach!

[vigia]

According to the USFA Athelete's handbook, you do need FIE equipment and your name and USA on the lame, but for Junior World cups you do not need the shooting stars on your knickers. Those are only required for Sr. World cups. See the USFA home page "US Fencing Headlines", then scroll down to the link at the very end marked "World Cup Equipment Requirements". It states clearly that regarding the colors "This requirement will not be enforced at Junior World Cups." So if you have everything else you need but are pressed for time, don't sweat getting this done.

For what it is worth, both in Montreal last year and at Lousiville this year, there were any number of fencers without their country on their lame, although this was probably only fencers from the home country (e.g., Candian fencers in Montreal, and US fencers in Louisville).

[The0ne]

Yeah I knew about not needing the shooting stars. . . The only Junior event where you would need them is the World Championships, and for that you need to be on the national team in that weapon.

[Lemberg]

Edew - I am sorry I really have no idea how come I spelt such an easy words as bias like this always had problems with it for some reason...... Even though English is not my mother tongue this is unacceptable for a third year Poli Sci student from a good Canadian university Probably had something to do with Christmas festivities I just returned from when I wrote this (too much bodka )
Agent_V - Ïàøòè øî ðóññêèé - õàõîë ÿ ) (nadeyus' ty eto smozhesh prochitat')
SJB - When's Calgary open this year?

Again, my aplogies to Mr. Edew for poor grammar, did not mean to irritate you....

[SJB]

Calgary Open is in March this year.

I'll be sending a package to your club as well as posting it here.

[downunder]

your requirements:

800N FIE homogulated outfit, with your name and country on the back (from the last 64 in a Senior World Cup. If you don't have it, it is a red card, but you will not be asked to change the jacket)

FIE stamped blades

several working bodywires



you shouldn't need to worry about getting the FIE licence card itself, cos the organisers will get the numbers online direct from the fie

[Lemberg]

Spencer - thanks for the info and special thanks for my Anglickij comment I'll be sure to get back at you for that one
Oh ya and coach says hi.