Catching weapons!

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

What are the rules about being disarmed and disarming. Is it legal to catch my weapon if it got knocked out of my hand?

[The0ne]

when your weapon is knocked out of your hand, the action stops, unless it is a direct repost, or beat attack that knocked the weapon out of your hand.

[whtouche]

I hope I don't rekindle this entire debate again, but isnt it true that if you drop your weapon your opponant has one tempo to hit you? This is, I understand, to prevent people from being able to drop their weapon as an instant and ultimate defensive move.

As far as catching your weapon if you drop it...Im not sure. One would think if a director sees your weapon come out of your hand he'll call halt - I dont think you can stop that by catching it.

[Fechter1]

Originally posted by whtouche
I hope I don't rekindle this entire debate again, but isnt it true that if you drop your weapon your opponant has one tempo to hit you? This is, I understand, to prevent people from being able to drop their weapon as an instant and ultimate defensive move.

As far as catching your weapon if you drop it...Im not sure. One would think if a director sees your weapon come out of your hand he'll call halt - I dont think you can stop that by catching it.

If you somehow lose your weapon (whatever the reason), that's a standard halt, meaning any action already in motion is allowed to score. Otherwise you could just release your blade anytime you feel a beat.

Why wouldn't you be allowed to catch your weapon with your off hand? Once you lose your grip and the blade falls, that's a halt. But if you want to make absolutely sure, just raise your hand high. Body cord should keep the weapon from hitting the ground, if that's what you're worrying about.

[prototoast]

In a perfect world, if you dropped your weapon, your opponent would get one tempo to hit you, however getting the call is hard. The body cord often makes it hard to see for some directors. At one point, I dropped my weapon, and it was still hanging from my wrist. There was no halt and my opponent continued to attack, so I basically threw up my hands and ran backwards so that a director would see.
In another case, I actually got disarmed while making a parry. There was no halt, and I still had one valid riposte, so I just kind of swung the weapon into my opponent. Probably not great for my plug or bodycord, but I had a feeling that if I didn't get that hit on, the director would have allowed a remise before calling halt.

Basically, when the weapon can't fall very far because of the body cord, directors are often slow to call anything... and in spite of what I just said, I'm not constantly getting disarmed at competition.

[D+F+P=Hadouken!]

I was asking because the other day I got disarmed in a bout, he lunged, I grabbed weapon in midair and riposted.

[The0ne]

unfortunately no touch for you, your actions were halted after you dropped the weapon. Impressice acrobatics thopugh!!

[viojen]

D+F+P-very cool. wish I could do that.

As a lefty fencing righties, I often hit bells (unintentional corps a corps), and sometimes my bell continues its motion over theirs, and we lock bells. And sometimes after that, if their grip is poor and I try to pull my blade back, they lose their blade. (Well, it's a foil in my case for now)
So can I then try to make a hit when they have lost their blade if no one calls a halt in the action? I by no means have memorized the rules, but if I were refing when that happened, I would call a halt. But what if the person who lost their blade was hit before the halt was called?

[The0ne]

viojen,
you can certainly try, although a good director will call a halt because the action you described is 2 tempoes, one where you pull your bell towards you, causing your opponent to lose his weapon, and than another tempo where you hit. The halt should be called after the first tempo.

[Hurriranger]

well from personaly experience. i went for a beat attacked, knocked it out of his hands and halt was called....

[Artisan]

Originally posted by viojen
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So can I then try to make a hit when they have lost their blade if no one calls a halt in the action? [/B]

A reminder: The timing of a halt occurs with the action(s)that produced it, not with the ref's utterance of the word. If you made the beat attack as one tempo, yes the touch is good, if you made beat...(pause, footwork, etc...) attack, then no, the halt is with the beat that disarmed them.

[viojen]

Okay, thanks. That makes sense.

What if I don't beat, but simply ram their guard (not intentionally. I just have a habit of extending in the same place and at the same time as the other person). If they lose their blade but I continue my attack (all in one motion) and hit them, is the point valid?
To me, this seems like it is all of the same tempo.