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NJP3 · 12-01-2003, 08:47 PM

Has anyone noticed that the Leon paul site is almost Identical to the Apple quick time site! Wonder who copied who!

www.leonpaul.com
www.quicktime.com
compare and see!!!

KShan5[PrFC] · 12-01-2003, 09:04 PM

I'd have to give quicktime the benefit of the doubt on that one.

whtouche · 12-01-2003, 09:34 PM

Not nearly exactly.
Tabs for navigation on the top of pages seems to be popular and Ive seen it on several other sites. The margins and frames are different, as are the colors etc.

Not nearly copied, but an interesting coincidence Id say.

MIke Bauer · 12-01-2003, 10:36 PM

I think the LP site has it all over the QT site--Especially with the "Find a Section" direct navigator feature on the LP site. The pop-ups are quick and "tight" as well.

As a matter of fact I wrote to LP specifically to compliment them on their site design. I would say it is one of the best of any type I have seen anywhere. You can really do what you need to do with speed and clarity.

Barry Paul was kind enough to write back and tell me that his brother and sons designed and continue to improve the site.

Queen of Hearts · 12-02-2003, 12:59 AM

I can't see how these two are considered "almost identical".
Help! Confused Blond!

DanInMI · 12-02-2003, 12:39 PM

nooooo not a cooincidence.....that's ridiculous. Apple has been using those grapics (the jelly style tabs) for years.
www.apple.com
It is pretty clear that whoever created the LP site "borrowed" the graphics, and manipulated them in something like Photoshop to suit thier purposes. (I looked at the images in Photoshop, and they match pixel for pixel....they just manipulated them to change the lettering.) I don't nescessarily think that it is an unethical thing...if it is okay to sample music for your rap, then this is probably OK. (Although I can see where Apple might take issue with it if it was Microsoft.)

It is very simple to do...I used the very same graphics for a photo album page for my family members to access once.

DanInMI · 12-02-2003, 12:56 PM

Notice the "Brushed Aluminum" look.
http://www.mac.com/
http://www.leonpaul.com/acatalog/catalogbody.html

I like the tabs that they created on thier own....like "Links"
http://www.leonpaul.com/links/links.htm
and "News"
http://www.leonpaul.com/news/news.htm

They really did do a very nice job....but to suggest that they created it independently , in a vaccum, without having been inspired by Apple is like saying Gates invented "windows."

DanInMI · 12-02-2003, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Queen of Hearts
I can't see how these two are considered "almost identical".
Help! Confused Blond!

Really?
look at this...www.apple.com
and this.....http://www.leonpaul.com/home/home.htm

How much MORE identical can you get, without displaying the exact same products on the page? I am sure it's ok though, Apple is used to having thier "look and feel" borrowed.

Namir · 12-02-2003, 06:52 PM

I myself have played around with apples graphics, becouse i like their clean look and it's incredibly easy to minipulate with photoshop. All you neen to do is copy a section of the tab move in directly to the side and over the text and ou have a perfect blank tab. Choose the shade of text and center it on the tab and...
Wala!

Your own personal rip off of apples graphics.

You may also notice the lack of texture behind the tabs on leon pauls website which is simply done with the pencil tool and eraser.

Both websites also use the same basic structure...
Three Table Cells on top and one large cell on the bottom.

They use the same exact code to keep their page centered... which they do by adding on a very thin sliver of an image exactly one pixcil wide to the top sides of the bar.

Quote:

Originally posted by whtouche
Not nearly exactly.
Tabs for navigation on the top of pages seems to be popular and Ive seen it on several other sites. The margins and frames are different, as are the colors etc.

Not nearly copied, but an interesting coincidence Id say.

... I won't even start with you...

I've seen this on apples site forever and I'm pretty sure the MAJOR COMPUTER COMPUTER COMPANY has a very well paid TEAM of graphics designers.

That just makes scence and if not... just set the saber down take an advil and go to bed.

grphiw · 12-03-2003, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NJP3
Has anyone noticed that the Leon paul site is almost Identical to the Apple quick time site! Wonder who copied who!
www.leonpaul.com
www.quicktime.com
compare and see!!!

I do see the resemblence with the tabs, but that's about it....

unless Quick Time is selling fencing equipment or Leon Paul's gone a little of the deep end and decided to design his own multimedia player.

Leon Time? Quick Paul fencing equipment? What is the world coming to?

NJP3 · 12-03-2003, 05:23 PM

Thank you DanInMI
To everyone else who said that ther was no similarity:
Mabey I was unlcear, the content, is in no way similar, however the navigation buttons are a complete rip off of the apple site. Not that this is unethical, its just that I thought a lot less of the Leon Paul site, when I recently made the connection with apples. Simply b/c it means the Leon Paul did not create their own, instead just edtited someone elses. I still like the clean, userfriendly layout, of the leon paul site, it just surprised me when I saw that the webmaster had not come up with it on his own.

whtouche · 12-03-2003, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NJP3
it just surprised me when I saw that the webmaster had not come up with it on his own.

That is still just speculation, and that kind of presumption if it proved to be untrue is potentially insulting.

I still doubt that apple invented that format, as you all seem to believe.

Namir · 12-03-2003, 05:55 PM

I agreed... lol

Rolls · 12-03-2003, 06:00 PM

Actually, I'm pretty sure Apple did pretty much invent the look, but it should be noted that The glassy button Apple look has been a pretty big trend on the Web. So, I wouldn't say that Leon Paul copied the Quick Time site (I think apple.com used to look this way too), just that they followed a popular graphical trend. Furthermore, if you look at some of the other pages (the news page for example), you can see how the Leon Paul site has adapted the theme to make it their own (for better or worse).

I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find a SLEW of web sites that look like this. I can remember seeing numerous tutorials on how to make those glassy buttons from scratch. I have even seen some colleagues of mine use them (albiet in a limited fashion).

Rolls.

DanInMI · 12-03-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by whtouche
That is still just speculation, and that kind of presumption if it proved to be untrue is potentially insulting.

I still doubt that apple invented that format, as you all seem to believe.

No it is not speculation. The images are the same. They downloaded the images and adapted them. They didn't just make "similar" graphics. They are pixel for pixel exactly the same size and shape, and several are actually the very same colors. The odds of them "accidently" doing that are ridiculous. If they are insulted by that then they should create thier own look and feel, rather than imitate Apple's. Quite frankly, the way I see it they were smart enough to borrow from the very best.

Why would you doubt that Apple created that look and feel? Over the past 8 years Apple's design team has had a bigger influence on American design than ANY other source. (If you doubt that, go into your nearest Target store and count how many appliances and home decor items that you can by in translucent iMac colors. Everything from George Foreman grills to makeup kits.) What would make you think that they would not also be the trendsetter in web design?

whtouche · 12-04-2003, 12:22 AM

Sigh. If you're not going to agree that this is just speculation, then throw more of it out there, it's not worth my time.

Yes, Im REALLY sure that Apple is THE leading design force in america today, on all accounts. I mean hell, they made a colored iMac and now george foreman grills are colors! It's a revolution!

EYE ROLL.

rukovsoft · 12-04-2003, 11:11 AM

ahahah

it s a big rip-off....

one smoking gun;
go to both website and try to save one of the buttons on top of the page: same name 1.png, 2.png...

it s an obvious rip-off.
shame on Leon Paul !

DanInMI · 12-04-2003, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by whtouche
Sigh. If you're not going to agree that this is just speculation, then throw more of it out there, it's not worth my time.

Yes, Im REALLY sure that Apple is THE leading design force in america today, on all accounts. I mean hell, they made a colored iMac and now george foreman grills are colors! It's a revolution!

EYE ROLL.

It really HAS been a revolution (or was for a while.) It was really amazing how many products were influenced by that design. Within 6 months of the introduction of the iMac there were thousands of products that were sporting the "iMac" look.
Yeah, it would be a real eye roller if all we were talking about was The George Foreman Grill, but I'm am not. There are "iMac" extension cords, and Irons, and lamps, kleenex boxes, photo albums, notebooks, and just about anything else you could name. In much the same way that the "rocket age" influenced design in the 50s (fins on cars, rocket shaped vacuum cleaners, etc.) you can see the way that Apple computer has influenced design over the past few years.

I am not as tuned in to product trends as I once was (I used to be the manager of a dept store) so I don't know if there is as much of it as there was a couple of years ago, but I can not think of any other product that has impacted american design like the iMac.

onesandzeros · 12-04-2003, 12:37 PM

In this case it's very obvious that Apple's web site design is the "leader" and Leon Pauls web site design is the "follower," and a terrible follower at that. I am unconcerned with ethics in this statement, but more concerned with attention to detail. Which apple excels at, and none of those who steal/borrow/etc.. their ideas can even come close to the kind of precision in design Apple has created for itself. This is also an unbiased and informed decision, seeing that I study design, am a designer, and know quite a bit about Apple computers (design) philosophy.

edew · 12-04-2003, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NJP3
Thank you DanInMI
To everyone else who said that ther was no similarity:
Mabey I was unlcear, the content, is in no way similar, however the navigation buttons are a complete rip off of the apple site. Not that this is unethical, its just that I thought a lot less of the Leon Paul site, when I recently made the connection with apples. Simply b/c it means the Leon Paul did not create their own, instead just edtited someone elses. I still like the clean, userfriendly layout, of the leon paul site, it just surprised me when I saw that the webmaster had not come up with it on his own.

One thing I learned about programming is that a good programmer write original code quickly. A great programmer uses others' code, quickly.

So kudos to the Apple web group for taking Leon Paul's site. (Hey, hasn't Leon Paul been in business longer than Apple?)