Ralph Nader for president!

[Popper]

Well I say it again... Ralph Nader for president!

[The0ne]

if he gets a better running mate than he had in 2000, it was like Ralph Nader, and "very-obviously-hippy-woman" i think her name was winona something. . . She didn't inspire any confidence in me at all!!

[Artisan]

Unfortunately, many think he destroyed a lot of his political capital when he (as some put it) "cost Gore the 2000 election"

I wonder why he hasn't made much news since then... not a peep out of him about Iraq -

interesting discussion:

http://www.johnjemerson.com/zizka.nader.htm
http://www.johnjemerson.com/zizka.traitor.htm

[Popper]

Well actually I'll settle for a democrat.. as long as Mr. Bush doesn't become president again.. I mean.. the Bush admiministration feels like a theocracy with so many devoted christians in positions of power. We don't want another Iran on our hands do we?

Come on, give me your best

[Popper]

weeeeell.. maybe my last post was a bit.. hmm.. uncalled for..

[Soldier]

Can't complain about a theocracy until somebody's making you pray.

[KShan5[PrFC]]

I would take Bush over just about all other canidates out there. Dean??? Kerry??? SHARPTON!?!?!Come one now, the DNC is a joke and until it gets its act together Bush is all clear.

[Inquartata]

Worry not. Unless they can persuade Al Qaeda to perpetrate another attack and crater the economic recovery, or to turn Iraq into an Israel-style murder zone, none of the current Democratic candidates looks capable of wresting the Oval Office from Bush. Though I hope they can recapture at least one house of Congress---unanimity of power makes me uneasy, whichever side has it...

[KShan5[PrFC]]

People try and critisize what Bush has said, but look at this. http://www.lifeisajoke.com/politics25_html.htm

AL GORE FUNNY QUOTES

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
-- Vice President Al Gore, 9/22/97

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
-- Vice President Al Gore, 9/5/93

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century."
-- Vice President Al Gore, 9/15/95

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change."
-- Vice President Al Gore, 5/22/98

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared.'"
-- Vice President Al Gore, 12/6/93

"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things."
-- Vice President Al Gore, 11/30/96

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"The future will be better tomorrow."
-- Vice President Al Gore

"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world."
-- Vice President Al Gore, 9/21/97

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
-- Vice President Al Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a *part* of Europe."
-- Vice President Al Gore

[Inquartata]

But hey, he pronounces "nuclear" correctly, which is all that matters.

[Soldier]

Hey, I've got an idea. How about, before anybody here is allowed to bash a policitian (or anyone, for that matter) for their misspeakings, we all get to go back through all of their old posts, and pick out every misspelling, grammatical mistake, fallacy of logic/argument, typo, and mis-saying they've ever made?

Now if only we could have audio archives of all their old conversations...

[Inquartata]

That's a big problem nowadays. Everyone gets compared to Clinton, who, it must be said, was a glib and polished speaker. Those who don't match his standard get graded down on the curve, not just for speaking ability but for intelligence, memory, honesty, etc. ( And speaking ability is not a good proxy for those qualities. )

Conveniently, though, it only seems to be Republicans who come in for public excoriation on that basis. Democrats seem to get an automatic "pass".

[C.J.]

Yes, but Al Gore was clearly the smarter man because he invented the internet. Ha ha.

[Artisan]

Originally posted by Inquartata
That's a big problem nowadays. Everyone gets compared to Clinton, who, it must be said, was a glib and polished speaker. Those who don't match his standard get graded down on the curve, not just for speaking ability but for intelligence, memory, honesty, etc. ( And speaking ability is not a good proxy for those qualities. )

Conveniently, though, it only seems to be Republicans who come in for public excoriation on that basis. Democrats seem to get an automatic "pass".

Unfortunately we've now become accustomed to considering the requirement for our politicians to be competent orators and distinguished scholars as an optional "bonus" rather than a baseline standard. Yet when it comes to personal morality we expect the highest standard. We are a fickle public.

Unfortunately in politics its what, why, and how you state your ideas that shapes your leadership and effectiveness, not who you sleep with....

[OCTAVIA]

Okay. I have to put my 2 cents in. While fencing in a salle over her where I live a few years back, I got into a discussion with my fencing partner and instructor about the Green Party and Ralph Nadar. I would vote for him. He turned things upsidedown and insideout, and did the right thing with his Nadar's Radars. and We really loved the guy back in the 70's. Does he still have the get up and go plus the brains? Yes. I think he still has it. But, it's a very long shot and needs much support. Not more difficult than Ross Perot, but difficult. Ross was a billionaire and could not get elected. How can we get Nader in?


[speaking of redecorating, sorry to say this, but, our temple in Japan went Emerald. It was originally done in browns with yellow rugs, and we used to say "follow the yellow brick road', but now the guys are saying: 'we're in the emerald city" - this bulletin is only due to the joke about the redecorating robbers, thanks.]