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    Originally posted by Inquartata
    If OJ got off on a murder charge, I think it's unlikely that Jackson, who is worth several hundred million dollars, will be unable to do likewise...
    The reports have been that he is broke. On the news they were guessing that one of the reasons it took so long for him to turn himself in, is because he was trying to raise the money for bail. If he's guilty I hope he goes to jail.
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    They say he's broke.

    They say he's guilty.

    Who's "they"? The media?
    I'll just wait for the verdict.

    As stated by others;
    If he's guilty, let him fry or whatever.

    IF HE IS NOT GUILTY, then I actually feel sorry for the guy...
    Like he isn't screwed up already...

    Well...we'll see...
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    Well, he's not really broke. He has enough to sell, but his lawyers will make him broke for sure in the long run.

    As for whether he's guilty or not; it really doesn't matter to me. The was I look at it is if he's guilty, lock'em up. If not, he shouldn't have put himself in this position in the first place so either way he guilty to some point.

    He wouldn't be the only one to put himself in a bad position, but you'd think people would learn after all the charges, lawsuits and settlements...

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    He lives on a multimillion-dollar estate, flies from one four-star resort hotel to another in a private plane, surrounded by a coterie of servants and flunkies, owns the rights to all of the Beatles songs....heh, we should all be so broke!

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    If he has been molesting little kids, lock him up, but not because he likes men. Thats his own business and shouldn't matter to us.
    If he liked men he would'nt be in trouble. If the victum was a little girl there would'nt be charges of homosexuality, but he molested little boys.

    In this case pedophila and homosexuality are related.
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    Originally posted by Ramrod
    If he liked men he would'nt be in trouble. If the victum was a little girl there would'nt be charges of homosexuality, but he molested little boys.

    In this case pedophila and homosexuality are related.
    Pedophila is not related homosexuality, any more than molesting young girls is related to heterosexuality.

    Originally posted by Reverselunge
    He is big liar too. If any of you saw the abc interview with him you will remember all the lies he told like how he has only had 2 surgeries and that those surgeries were not cosmetic but medical and that they way he looks is completely natural. This guy is all things in one, a molestor, a freak, a homo, a pervert and a liar.
    I tend to belive that someone is innocent until proven guilty, some call me crazy I know.

    Also having cosmetic surgery and lying about it is not that bad.

    No does lying about cosmetic surgery make someone a freak, homo, pervert, or a molestor. And it's disturbing that you would lump the word homo in there...

    He may be guilty, he may be the victim of an attempt to get money, or something else.

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    Pedophila is not related homosexuality, any more than molesting young girls is related to heterosexuality.
    The heteral sexual child molesters like to molest young girl while the homo child molesters molest the young boys. Make perfect sense to me.

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    Originally posted by MikeHarm
    Fame is a two edged sword, and he wouldn't be the first to fall on it.

    what an ironic reference to swords :-P
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    Whether he's innocent or guilty (God help him if he's guilty!), the man needs help. A lot of help. He had a terrible childhood. I'll give him that. But he's an adult now, & it's time that he acted in a responsible way. Especially if he's a parent.

    I won't even get into what I'd like to do to child molestors. Been there, done that.
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    Originally posted by ReverseLunge
    The heteral sexual child molesters like to molest young girl while the homo child molesters molest the young boys. Make perfect sense to me.
    Pedophilia is a disorder that doesn't fit into those terms.

    For example, we have no proof that Jackson molested any young boys at this time.

    We do have proof that he likes women though. He was married twice, and has children through one of his wives.

    To define him as homosexual isn't accurate.
    Strange? Definitely.

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    If you want to get technical, just because a person marries does NOT mean they particularly like the opposite sex. Many gay men & women marry (outside their sexual prefs). I believe there were reports that at least one of his children were conceived by artificial insemination, not in the "traditional" way.

    In general, a predator is not as interested in the sex as the power. He puts himself into a position where it gives him (or her) power over weaker people (ie children). For instance, the man who attempted to attack me & who was successful at attacking my best friend also got ahold of another friend's brother...all while using his position of power to get to us.
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    Originally posted by Moonitic
    If you want to get technical, just because a person marries does NOT mean they particularly like the opposite sex. Many gay men & women marry (outside their sexual prefs). I believe there were reports that at least one of his children were conceived by artificial insemination, not in the "traditional" way.
    Very true. But at this time we have no proof of him liking men.
    Either way, his sexual orientation isn't even an issue. The issue is whether he molested a CHILD.

    Originally posted by Moonitic
    In general, a predator is not as interested in the sex as the power. He puts himself into a position where it gives him (or her) power over weaker people (ie children). For instance, the man who attempted to attack me & who was successful at attacking my best friend also got ahold of another friend's brother...all while using his position of power to get to us.
    Very true.

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    Pedophilia is probably more natural than homosexuality. Both are pretty bad.

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    Originally posted by ReverseLunge
    Pedophilia is probably more natural than homosexuality. Both are pretty bad.
    EGAD....holy judgements batman!

    How do you even conceptualize pedofilia or homosexuality on a continuum of "naturalness" ? Is this social Darwinism? Where does necrofilia fit in? What about cannabalism. None of these promote continuation of the species...

    Are you ignoring the entire concept of CONCENT? Two adults can (plausibly) concent to mutual behavior. A minor cannot.

    Taboos are cultural, and thus ever changing. Homeosexuality and pedofilia were common in Roman times, and many contemporary cultures still marry their children off at very young ages....

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    achilleus, I don't care if he has sex with his monkey, so long as he doesn't lay a hand (or anything else) on a child. And if it's his male monkey, so be it...just as long as he keeps away from kids. Any kids.

    Again, I hope the guy finally gets help. Guilty or innocent, I hope he gets help.
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    Originally posted by Artisan
    EGAD....holy judgements batman!

    How do you even conceptualize pedofilia or homosexuality on a continuum of "naturalness" ? Is this social Darwinism? Where does necrofilia fit in? What about cannabalism. None of these promote continuation of the species...

    Are you ignoring the entire concept of CONCENT? Two adults can (plausibly) concent to mutual behavior. A minor cannot.

    Taboos are cultural, and thus ever changing. Homeosexuality and pedofilia were common in Roman times, and many contemporary cultures still marry their children off at very young ages....

    I don't care how cultural it is, pedophilia and rape (which is what a lot of arranged marriages basically are) are sick and evil, and those that commit them must die.
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    Originally posted by Moonitic
    achilleus, I don't care if he has sex with his monkey, .....
    There's a theory that the precursor to HIV existed in the simian (monkey) population long befor the human outbreak. Its possible that somewhere, sometime someone had sex with a monkey and provided the vector for HIV into the human population. So, you should care. don't go F**king monkeys!

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    Originally posted by Soldier
    I don't care how cultural it is, pedophilia and rape (which is what a lot of arranged marriages basically are) are sick and evil, and those that commit them must die.
    Er... that was my point - I wasn't condoning it. WE aren't in ancient Rome anymore, neither is Mr. Jackson.

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    It's more possible that someone got BITTEN by a monkey, but I see the humor in the above statement. And believe me, I'll stick to my VERY human husband!
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