11-10-2003, 10:33 PM
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#21 | | Senior Member
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| As another of the foil contingent, I'm tempted to be flippant and say switch weapons, but I 'll give you an attempt at a serious answer too (after all foilists do get bruises too, just in different places).
I would say that while in foil you can get away bouting in sweat pants, but in epee you've got to have knickers, otherwise your leg's going to take a beating. Since leg, and everything else, is valid target you're going to get hit there regularly and anything short of knicker probably won't be adequate protection. I hate to say it, but you'll probably get bruises even with knickers, but they'll probably hurt less and be less severe.
And I hate to say it, but everyone else is right. Eventually, only the worst bruises register at the time. It's gotten so that I only notice really hard hits, now I find that I don't notice I have a brusie until I'm either getting undressed and happen to catch a glimpse of myself in the mirror, or someone touches me and hits the bruise, or until I sit down, or brush the appropriate body part against something. Or, the worst, someone else notices the bruise and asks what happened. Most who know me well, know I fence, and I tell them it's probably from fencing but I always picture them thinking, "Yeah, likely story". If you're male it's less embarassing, but take it from me there's nothing like taking a hard hit to the inner thigh and having a really impressive bruise right before you have a gyn appointment. 
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11-10-2003, 11:12 PM
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#22 | | Scavenger
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| I had one classic visit to the gynecologist. "I have to ask this," she said hesitantly, looking at my bruises. "Who did this to you?"
"Well, this was a fifteen-year-old boy, and this was a guy in his 70s, and I don't remember who did this one," I said, and since her eyes were as wide as saucers by that point I had to stop and explain.
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11-11-2003, 03:36 AM
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#23 | | Senior Member
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| *laughing hysterically*
I used to play rugby, and you can only imagine what bruises looked like from that. So, I'd get these women who'd come up to me and say, with great concern in their voices, "Honey, you shouldn't let him DO that to you!"
So I guess I was a wicked child, because I'd smile this absent far away smile and say (because it was women's rugby), "but it wasn't him... it was HER!" 
I also had friends ask me who'd hurt me beacuse my bruises on my arm looked like finger prints.  | |
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11-11-2003, 06:04 PM
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#24 | | Senior Member
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| don't dodge epee, it's a great sport. I used to get popped on the bicept also, you have to learn to do a few things, you have to move your arm back, as soon as you see it coming, you become more flexible, and move more 'rubbery' than in foil, move your arm up and go for their forearm, or out to the side, you have to use completely different footwork, think calipso, buy some calipso music and listen to it, it's completly different - it's more dance like, but it's a step, stop step, lunge, keep fencing epee, and in the meanwhile what I did when I first started was buy some long socks and cut the foot off it and pull it up over your arm and fold it a few times until you learn to move the arm out, it's more out and up.
Out and up
point into their elbow/forearm
lunge
If foil is like mozart, epee is like calypso
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11-11-2003, 11:36 PM
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#25 | | Senior Member
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| Morion,
Check out my avatar.
That's my arm after a night of getting pounded by a bunch of Bs and As when I first took up épée.
I was absolutely convinced I could power through that counter six and get to them. Obviously, I was wrong.
It does get better.
Actually, I've gotten a few raised eyebrows from doctors when they see my "leopard spots". They must have been thinking, this guy must have some mean wife to do this to him. Eventually, after a long explanation of the sport, they believe me (only after making sure I don't have anemia, leukemia or ebola).
Paolo
BTW, never fence épée without a full kit (the stronger the better)
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11-12-2003, 12:57 AM
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#26 | | Senior Member
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If foil is like mozart, epee is like calypso
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11-12-2003, 08:28 AM
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#27 | | Member
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| Quote: Originally posted by canthidefromme
Do the right thing and fence foil. | Dont cross over to the dark side!!! | |
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11-12-2003, 10:57 AM
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#28 | | Member
Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia
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| bruising
All bruisees need to make sure to get plenty of vitamin C. It helps prevent/heal bruising, and also helps any other wounds to heal.
I don't think the following applies to eppeeists, but for foilists on this thread: I don't like seeing a "rainbow" on my legs. I believe that leg bruises indicate that my parries led the opponent's blade astray. If your leg is hit before you have a chance to riposte, it'll blow your attack by stopping action. Any thoughts from fellow foilists? | |
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11-12-2003, 01:32 PM
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#29 | | Fencing Expert
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| Re: bruising
Quote: Originally posted by morael
If your leg is hit before you have a chance to riposte, it'll blow your attack by stopping action. Any thoughts from fellow foilists? | It shouldn't stop the action. That's what right of way is for. The call would be:
Attack parried, remise of target, riposte valid. Point goes to the riposte.
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11-12-2003, 04:59 PM
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#30 | | Senior Member
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| Re: your arm which I have seen for three years; you should have fenced C's and D's. The A fencers should be leading you, not pounding you as a beginner, pretty cruddy. Good luck.
Peach: nice avatar, but in LIGHT [she yelled] of the recent Autrocities against women in Nigeria, that was totally insensitive.
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Epee is a weapon of deceit and guile. You tend to take your time and counter-attack. You can touch your opponent anywhere at any time.
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11-12-2003, 05:43 PM
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#31 | | Senior Member
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| I was doing OK till Octavia chimed in relating Peach's doctors appointment with women in Nigeria.
Sounds like a great line Peach.
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11-12-2003, 07:28 PM
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#32 | | Senior Member
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| Octavia, I fail to see anything insensitive in Peach's post. She's relating a story, not making a political statement. I find it rather amusing myself... because people seem to automatically asume that bruises only come from abuse.
Speaking of bruises... I've got a lovely bruise the size of a grapefruit (and about the color) on my lower leg and ankle right now from a "toe touch". WOOHOO!!!! *showing it off* | |
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11-12-2003, 08:39 PM
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#33 | | Senior Member
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| Quote: Originally posted by OCTAVIA
Re: your arm which I have seen for three years; you should have fenced C's and D's. The A fencers should be leading you, not pounding you as a beginner, pretty cruddy. Good luck.
Peach: nice avatar, but in LIGHT [she yelled] of the recent Autrocities against women in Nigeria, that was totally insensitive. | I don't blame them. The hit was there, and they took it. The bruises were my fault. It doesn't happen any more, so no big deal. Fence anyone willing to fence you, there is always something to be learned. Doesn't matter what letter is on their USFA card,
Regarding your comment to Peach: did I miss something? How does Nigeria enter into it?
Paolo
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