[CFML] Re: future of SF looks more like CF

That's me in the quote below. Some people do agree with what I said, and there's a reference in the same thread (URL below) to other sport fencers of the highest calibre (Omnes, Golubitsky) expressing the same thoughts. Not all of SF likes what has happened in foil, and there is possibility to change. This is a fad over the last 10 years, it may go away. The item quoted below is really the only thing that is wrong, IMHO. And, sabre and epee are in fine shape in SF. Really.

As Brian says, SF is not in decline and it is counterfactual to claim so. Attendees and matches are bigger now than any time in my 30+ years of fencing, despite the cultural changes that have changed the paths that lead novices into beginning from the patriatian society of the past. Secondly, it's a shame that so much of this list is devoted to whining about SF things. It comes off defensive and sour grapes. Finally, as Brian says so well, the insistence on form in CF is at least as artificial and anti "if it were sharp" as anything in SF. I reject the notion that CF is closer to martial art than SF on that basis alone.

http://www.fencing101.com/vb/showthr...&threadid=8589

>I do wish they would listen to "Jeff", though. "I'm not fond of the flick, but what bothers me is the "loose interpretation of threat" that has come
up".




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From: "Jeffrey Savit" <jeff.savit@sun.com>

> As Brian says, SF is not in decline and it is counterfactual to claim so.
Attendees and matches are bigger now than >any time in my 30+ years of
fencing, despite the cultural changes that have changed the paths that lead
novices into >beginning from the patriatian society of the past. Secondly,
it's a shame that so much of this list is devoted to whining >about SF
things. It comes off defensive and sour grapes. Finally, as Brian says so
well, the insistence on form in CF >is at least as artificial and anti "if
it were sharp" as anything in SF. I reject the notion that CF is closer to
martial art >than SF on that basis alone.

Then judo, vastrious forms of karate, tae kwan do and gung fu are also not
martial arts because they too have a style element. You have a limited
definition of "martial arts" which I do not ascribe to.

I do withdraw my "decline" comment, although I note that this thread started
with a discussion of the (apparently) imminent demise of Olympic fencing..

Bob Lyle



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