what is Article 16 of the FIE rules.

[frenzl]

i tried to look back in the old threads but it just didn't work. so what is it i'm going to a tourny at brock U. in a couple of weeks and would like to know what i will be responsible for concerning Article 16 of the FIE rules.

[frenzl]

can anyone answer the question? -please

[lochinvar]

I would if I could, but I can't. I've never read the FIE rules.
The USFA rules are based on/translated from the FIE rules, but the USFA don't use the "article" type of reference.

However, entry "t.16" (article 16?) deals with holding the weapon:

t.16

With all three weapons, defence must be effected exclusively with the guard and the blade used either separately or together.

If the handle has no special device or attachment or special shape (e.g. orthopaedic), a fencer may hold it in any way he wishes and he may also alter the position of his hand on the handle during a bout. However, the weapon must not be — either permanently or temporarily, in an open or disguised manner — transformed into a throwing weapon; it must be used without the hand leaving the hilt and without the hand slipping along the hilt from front to back during an offensive action.

When the handle has a special device or attachment or has a special shape (e.g. orthopaedic) it must be held in such a way that the upper surface of the thumb is in the same plane as the groove in the blade (in foil or at épée) and perpendicular to the plane of the flexibility of the blade in saber.

The weapon must be used with one hand only; a fencer may not change hands until the end of the bout, unless the Referee gives special permission in the case of injury to the hand or arm.

[pammie003]

I wouldn't worry too much. If this is the Brock I'm thinking of (next weekend in St. Catherines ON), there are always quite a few beginners and everyone is very helpful. Most of the time, they just explain what you don't understand and don't throw a card at you until you do it again.

Brock is a fun tournament; you should have a great time.

[mfp]

Canadians *should* know whatever is meant by the reference to "article 16". The CFF rules contain an Appendix A with a example tournament entry form with the wording "All participants are subject to Article 16 of the Regulations [...]"

Subsequently lots of tournaments in Canada ape the CFF example and contain verbiage such as:

I have read and fully understand and accept on my behalf all of the implications of Article 16 of the Rules and Regulations of Competition of the FIE

One wonders just how many Canadian entry form signers can identify "article 16" let alone really can claim to "have read and fully understand" whatever it is.

Why not ask the CFF, eh?

CFF
2197 Riverside Dr. Suite 301
Ottawa ON K1H 7X3
Tel: (613) 731-6149 / Fax: (613) 731-6952

[DHCJr]

When I first saw this question, I didn’t bother with it, since as has been stated before; there is no Article 16. Then I got to thinking; maybe the sheet they are having you sign has not been updated. There used to be an Article 16, 'Responsibility of Fencers' in the old rulebook before they made the new TOM format. If you look at T-15, you will see what used to be Article 16. To give a simplified version of what the rule states. You are fencing at your own risks. The tests made cannot guaranty your safety.

You might ask them to update their form.

[pkt]

DHC Jr is correct. I've checked the 1994 version of the FIE rules. That's what that is.

"Tsk, tsk" to all those who admit to not having read the FIE rules...
That's scary.


FYI:
CFF website:
http://fencing.ca/english_index.html
or type in
fencing.ca
on the Address/url

Here's the site for the VANCOUVER Cdn Selection Circuit Comp in 2003/12/05-07

http://fencing.ca/downloads/cff_elit...ng_2003-04.pdf

PK

[mfp]

Originally posted by DHCJr
You might ask them to update their form.

Better yet ... the FIE should just adopt a new Article 16 where those who agree to Article 16 shall hand over all their worldly possesions and first born chlldren to the FIE. The FIE could then give a commission to the Canadian clubs who still use entry forms that state "I have read and fully understand and accept on my behalf all of the implications of Article 16 of the Rules and Regulations of Competition of the FIE"

[pkt]

Be generous, be magnanimous, you're citing the entry form put out by a Universoty club.
We used to have this big tournament hosted by one of the Us here. It was the biggest torunament on the west coast and western Canada. Recognising the turnover rate in a typical U club we sat down and wrote up a manual on the How-tos to organise the tournament. Guess what, after 3-5 years, the manual disappeared...So they have to re-invent the wheel everytime...

PK

[pammie003]

I believe the last time I signed a waiver for Brock, it didn't say article 16, but spelled out what was in it. (That I assumed all risk for personal injury, personal equipment breakage, etc.)