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arcon · 10-28-2003, 10:58 PM

Is anyone here close to this mess?(California Fires) Ive heard they
have burned around 1000 homes and killed a dozen people.

Some friends of mine had their flight cancelled due to the smoke

arcon

sorry about the N on California, my fingers wont stop typing
sometimes.

MikeHarm · 10-29-2003, 10:58 PM

Have any fencing clubs been burned?

MyraTrue · 10-29-2003, 11:42 PM

I'm not too sure about the California fires, but have heard some similar reports. Also, seems that there are fires over in Washington now, due to the nasty storm we just had come through here. But we got some snow, at least.

Its been really dry in this part of the country, and fire is not a surprise. It rarely is. And we're lucky (At least with the fires in Washington) that this happened now, instead of three weeks ago.

Inquartata · 10-30-2003, 07:36 PM

It's a conspiracy, you know.

No, really. I think this is Schwarzenegger's plan for California: burn it down and start over...

arcon · 10-31-2003, 01:02 AM

funny you should say that. I was just thinking the other day
..............someone is mad about Arnie be elected. Gov......
..............................and set the fires...................

Army Fencer · 10-31-2003, 01:31 AM

My parents live in Apple Valley, CA. They were asked to voluntarily evacuate.

It looks like most of the fires in the San Bernardino area are in the mountains and sparcely populated regions, away from most fencers.

Ramrod · 10-31-2003, 06:58 AM

Hey Inq. That's not the conspiracy I heard.

Ya know Arnie pledged not to raise taxes, reserving the right to do so in an emergency, like a natural disaster.

So.... before he even takes office the democrats are out starting fires, creating the greatest natural disaster in California history. . . Arnie has to raise taxes right from the get go to pay for the fire fighting costs, and the demos can slam him for being a hypocrite and breaking pre-election campaign promises.

They are out there ya know!

arcon · 10-31-2003, 04:38 PM

Arnold is on the ball from what i hear. He flew out in a helo to
check the fires. Guess where he went? Over the San B. valley
where all the million anb billion dollar estates are. Including
Rosnane Barrs place and Patrick Swaz....

Mrs.PotatoHead · 10-31-2003, 04:48 PM

I live nears the fires and no fencers have been harmed but it was raining ash around here and you can smell the smoke.

arcon · 10-31-2003, 04:52 PM

In todays U.S.A. Today i read about the horrors of the Cedar
fire. Please leave fast if it comes your way. Those people only had
a very few minutes to flee
. Some tried to pack stuff and didnt make it out

i wish you well.
arcon

Inquartata · 10-31-2003, 05:19 PM

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Originally posted by Mrs.PotatoHead
I live nears the fires and no fencers have been harmed but it was raining ash around here and you can smell the smoke.

Isn't The Fencing Post located in the area of the conflagration? Anyone know whether it's been affected?

It · 10-31-2003, 05:28 PM

The ashes from the Rancho Cucamonga fire partially covered my car. Along the 15 - 215 - and the 60 freeways you could see towering fire funnels. From my house you can see the fire line. The wierd thing about that is you can see it snake through the mountains. What was once trees is now like the surface of Mars. The trail I hike and horse back riding at is gone, from what I understand.The air is really bad in the San Bernardino, Riverside , L.A. county areas mixed in with the smog...... well you know. A friend of mine in Running Bear had his front burned, and his car melted, and thakfully nothing else. Only good thing is he wanted a new car anyway. The insurance will take care of that.

By now the San Diego fire is 65% contained. But my father still has to drive with his headlights on, during the mid-day.

A number of people died, and one fireman in San Diego fell victim to the flames. Ironically some poeple who died wanted to wait it out to the last minute, and did to, they waited a minute too long. How many died is unknown.

If your wondering if it's bad, yeah it's really bad. In this part of California at least.

pkt · 11-01-2003, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by arcon
funny you should say that. I was just thinking the other day
..............someone is mad about Arnie be elected. Gov......
..............................and set the fires...................

Her name is God.
Sodm & Gamorrah.

PK

pkt · 11-01-2003, 04:45 AM

Gov. Gray Davis finally took up BC's offer of help.

In BC we just went thru a similar ordeal for almost a month. The population is much thinner in the Okanagan but still we lost about 200 houses and luckily only a few lives.

I think Mother Nature is telling us that perhaps we shouldn't be living in these areas. She'll win in th elong run.

OTOH, a lot of these 'natural disasters' are in some ways self-inflicted:
I read that as a result of Ca, on the verge of going broke cut back on clearing the undergrowth;
in the area north of Whistler, houses built on the flood plains are flooded out. Why can't people, if they HAVE to build houses on a flood plain, build the houses on stilts? It's a flood plain. It's not a matter of if it flood. It's a matter of when. Just like in the Mississippi flood plains a few year back. The Fed finally said, after these people having been flooded out 3 times, that if you want fed relief money you have to relocate... D'oh.

Ca, Arizona, etc. are deserts, people are not meant to live there not matter how deluded we are about the power of engineering, Mother Nature will overcome all mankind did, no matter how we delude ourselves about how clever we are.

I refuse to live in Richmond, BC, for that reason: Richmond is built on alluvial soil in the delta of the Fraser River. Floods, yes, for sure. Earth quake causing houses built on alluvial soil to sink, most likely in spite of new building technologies.

OTOH, Vancouver itself is a headland. Solid rock and clay. So even if global warming causes the sea level to rise, which IS happenng as the average Arctic temperature shows, Vancouver still have a better chance than Richmond to stay dry.

the sky is falling...very slowly.

PK

Inquartata · 11-01-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by pkt
Her name is God.
Sodm & Gamorrah.

PK

If god is indeed working through lost hunters and arsonists these days, his ways are "mysterious" indeed!

Inquartata · 11-01-2003, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by pkt
I read that as a result of Ca, on the verge of going broke cut back on clearing the undergrowth;

The Federal funding dried up as well.

Quote:

Why can't people, if they HAVE to build houses on a flood plain, build the houses on stilts? It's a flood plain. It's not a matter of if it flood. It's a matter of when.

I don't know, but the practice goes back to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, so people haven't gotten any more prudent in the last few thousand years...

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Ca, Arizona, etc. are deserts, people are not meant to live there not matter how deluded we are about the power of engineering, Mother Nature will overcome all mankind did, no matter how we delude ourselves about how clever we are.

This might come as quite a surprise to the peoples of the Middle East, to the Australian aborigines, the Anasazi and the Hohokam, the Apache and the Navajo and the Hopi....

In any event, only about half of Arizona is desert, California probably about the same...and at least in Arizona the most destructive fires have mostly been in the high forests, not the desert parts. In the desert you burn a little grass and some brush, and its done. Pine stands are a little more incendiary....

There is probably no place on earth where it is "safe" to live. Seacoasts all risk hurricanes, plains have tornadoes, droughts and locusts, mountains have avalanches and blizzards. Name me a place where "people were intended to live".

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Soldier · 11-01-2003, 05:46 PM

You're thinking in human time, not Mother Nature's time. She's a lot more patient than we are.

Inquartata · 11-02-2003, 08:13 PM

Well, on that basis you could argue that there is NOwhere people should be living. The humanity-as-virus theory....

For that matter, geological time is nothing in comparison to cosmological time. Maybe planetary systems themselves should be called unnatural?

arcon · 11-02-2003, 11:57 PM

Man is a plague upon the earth!

A flea upon the dog!

A roach in the house?

HMMMMMMMMMMMM I like the virus idea better.

arcon

Inquartata · 11-03-2003, 12:40 AM

Aaaand...the antibiotic is AIDS? Cancer? Terrorists? The hydrocarbon industry?