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OCTAVIA · 10-19-2003, 11:35 PM

I know many people disagree with this particular stance, we've all been called idiots before, it's understandable, when one doesn't agree with another person, simply lob the old "idiot" phrase. But if we look more closely at the issues as they stand for several decades, we can say: What the heck does a fencer know about politics??" How can we be considered the worlds politcal answer box? But, the events which began well before September 11, 2001 can be traced to the lives of the Palestinian people who have lived in tents since losing their land.

Today, I met three young men from Indonesia, I spoke to one of them for a little while, they were interested in the issue of Soverenty here in Hawaii. I did my textbook talk about how Hawaii became a state, but it is difficult to address these complex issues with 20 year old kids whose parents don't even remember the events of WWII.

People want to "forget' these things, but is it really possible? Isn't it better perhaps to educate our kids in classrooms, and even invite controversial speakers to offer their viewpoints?

I leave this open for discussion, or for thought. Fencers like to think of themselves as intelligent, let's prove we are by acting accordingly.

MikeHarm · 10-20-2003, 12:00 AM

So what you're saying is Hawaii should become sovereign so the Palestinian's won't live in tents?

Iwant2bafencer · 10-20-2003, 12:26 AM

No you idiot why would he be saying that??

j/k

C.J. · 10-20-2003, 01:04 AM

No. Al Gore invented Hawaii, you idiot.

KShan5[PrFC] · 10-20-2003, 04:05 PM

Al Gore didn't invent Hawaii, he started government funding for the creation of the islands.

Popper · 10-20-2003, 04:36 PM

I wonder why everyone just can't get along? If that would be the case no one would have to live in tents.. if they didn't want to that is

Wizardly · 10-20-2003, 05:04 PM

Pointless, random, illogical, amusing.

Thanks for sharing.

Just smile and nod.

Don't try to think about it...you'll only hurt yourself as your contort your face in utter confusion.

***Craig*** · 10-20-2003, 05:21 PM

Octavia,

Hey there. You have a few different points of discussion here and you have left out a few of your steps of reasoning so that at least I am not sure what exactly you are asking about.

The following are my attempts to pull out some additional information so that there can be a discussion:

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I know many people disagree with this particular stance

What particular stance? What theorem/position are you advancing that people are disagreeing with?

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Today, I met three young men from Indonesia, I spoke to one of them for a little while, they were interested in the issue of Soverenty here in Hawaii. I did my textbook talk about how Hawaii became a state, but it is difficult to address these complex issues with 20 year old kids whose parents don't even remember the events of WWII.

Well, I don't think that you are referring to the Indonesians who have no real reason to study Hawaiian sovreignity, so maybe you are referring to the knowledge imparted to the US school kids? Again, several connecting steps are missing, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. I'm also missing the jump from Palestine to Hawaii; are you attempting to bridge the two topics through an assertion that they both reflect a situation of invasion/occupation/displacement of one ethnic or politcal group by another?

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People want to "forget' these things, but is it really possible? Isn't it better perhaps to educate our kids in classrooms, and even invite controversial speakers to offer their viewpoints?

Forget what things? Is this the payoff for the setup provided by the rest of the post? Are you really trying to start a discussion of the state of teaching of current events and US/World history in US schools? Or are you trying to start a discussion on Palestine?

Let me know what you want to discuss and how you want to frame that discussion and we'll have a much better starting point from which to venture forth.

Cheers,
Craig

pkt · 10-20-2003, 06:52 PM

I forgot the exact quotation, but it goes something like,
"He who ignores History is condemned to repeat it."
If someone knows the source of this quotation, pls let me know.

Oct,
in the world's scheme of things, Hawaii, when compared to Indonesia, is small potatoes.
Just in case you do not know, Indonesia is the largest Muslim country outside of the Mid East and they have major problems: what with their own seperatists: East Timor, et al as well as the country with the most number of islands...
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/id.html

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Popper,

Everyone can't get along because everyone has his own interest in mind. That's the Nature of Things. That's Life.

We can't all be Mother Teresas and be altruistics. Someone has to be the bad guys to show that the rest of us are good guys.

PK

Inquartata · 10-20-2003, 10:20 PM

The quote is from Santayana.

KShan5[PrFC] · 10-20-2003, 10:24 PM

Speaking of Mother Theresa, yesterday was the annoversary of her Beatification.

Inquartata · 10-20-2003, 10:29 PM

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Originally posted by KShan5[PrFC]
Speaking of Mother Theresa, yesterday was the annoversary of her Beatification.

So now there's officially a fifth Beatle?!?

arcon · 10-20-2003, 11:38 PM

I sure ive done it but i try my best not to mix politics
and fencing. It would be interesting to know where fencers
stand on various issues compared to non fencers. You know, like a poll.I would
assume that there wouldnt be a difference really. After all
people are people no matter what they do for recreation and
sport.

Soldier · 10-21-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by Popper
I wonder why everyone just can't get along? If that would be the case no one would have to live in tents.. if they didn't want to that is

Living in tents is great, especially during basic training, when it rains every single afternoon/evening without fail, and you can count seventeen leaks in the tent just over your cot, because the tents are an old piece-of-crap style that nobody else in any branch of the military has used since Vietnam, including even the rest of the Academy - just us basic cadets get the privilege of living in these particular tents...

*takes a breath*

swordsen · 10-22-2003, 07:42 AM

Boo Hoo. How many days are you going to be spending in that tent?

218 odd days and counting now....

Ramrod · 10-22-2003, 09:40 AM

If the palestinian's are still living in tents and unhappy about it maybe they should change their governmental leadership to a group that will be committed to making substantial improvements in their economic development.

damion18d · 10-22-2003, 12:13 PM

Soldier it must be hard to keep your PC dry with all that rain in your leaky tent. Boo Hoo. Sorry just a little ribbing from a fellow service member.

Swordsman. Are you in one of the cabuls. I recently spent time in Doha Ku, then over the border. Before that I was in another on going engagement.
Good luck to you. Keep your head down.

swordsen · 10-22-2003, 01:44 PM

Started in Kuwait. then got shifted to afghanistan. REcently been told thaqt we might get to stay here till next JUNE. That will be 15 months in theater I will have seen a few active duty units rotate out, come back, go home again,go home again, and come back again before I get to leave.

god I love good planning. Wish he SECDEF did.

damion18d · 10-22-2003, 07:04 PM

Swordsman, I started in Kuwait went to AFG, then to Iraq. For a grand total of 21 months in theater. Good luck getting home. Stay safe.
P.S. who are you with? I'm 19th group sfg.

swordsen · 10-23-2003, 04:19 AM

Bunch of the 19th just came in here. I work in MI. Sometimes in the rear, sometimes out in the mountains. 21 months has me beat. (I hope)