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Old 10-09-2003, 04:34 PM   #1
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Muscle soreness/partial pull treatment?

I'm in a bit of a bind physically (no pun intended)

After a particularly intense set of drills 4 days ago which emphasized reverse direction footwork drills and the lunge, I've had some moderately intense muscle soreness/pain in the right hamsting area extending up to the glute area...

The pain was not apparent the night of the practice (which leads me hopefully to believe that it was not a pull or partial pull of the hamstring), but instead the soreness crept up over a period of two days just like normal muscle "soreness" is supposed to do.

I've used heat (hot tub) and massage, but after 4 days the pain hasn't begun to subside and unless I perform knee to chest stretching before getting up it impedes walking in the morning without a limp...

Doing some light lunges after mild stretching, I can still feel a type of "tearing" pain (slightly more pronounced than just being sore) and so I've almost completely stopped practice at home (and cycling as well) waiting for the pain to subside.

I still stretch (nothing intense) every day, but now I am wondering if stretching is what is hampering the mending process. The stretching is very mild and never to the point of "owwww" just to loosen up and get mild relieve temporarily...

My question is: Does mild stretching slow the healing process for muscle soreness? and if not, what kind of situation is it when muscle pain will not subside during inactivity/light stretching.

Have I just not waited long enough? I've gotten accustomed to drills every night its torture just sitting around doing nothing.

Oh, and there is no joint pain associated with this (thankfully) its all centered in the muscles seemingly closer to the tendon areas.

Thanks in advance!
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stretching of a torn muscle or anything will make it worse. But if it is just soreness stretching should help. Also increase your protein intake i.e. eggs to help the muscle rebuild. And get some good rest!
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Old 10-09-2003, 05:44 PM   #3
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Did you try putting some windex on it?

Sorry I can't help... Hope you'll feel better!
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A doctor also wouldn't be a bad idea... just to be on the safe side. Probably wouldn't be too long if you told him/her exactly what you said here.
Anywhoo, hope you heal right.
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Feanor,
This sounds a lot like something that happened to me a few months ago. I assumed I'd pulled my hamstring and so did my doctor. I went through all the therapy including ultrasound to improve it, but nothing really helped.
Here's what was really going on. My hip flexors and quads were way too tight. They were pulling on my pelvis causing it to tilt forward a little. This in turn overstretched my hamstring until it got really irritated where it attaches to the pelvis (in the glute area).
Like you, I didn't experience a sudden onset of pain that I had associated with pulled hamstrings - like when sprinters fall out of a race. What I had was a aggravating, pulling ache where my leg meets my butt on my front leg. I found myself grabbing my rear a lot doing footwork (kind of embarrassing). It was the worst when I was retreating and changing direction.
I ignored this for a long time and eventually did strain my hamstring in the middle of my leg. The therapy helped that a lot, but the ache near my rear never went away.
What did work was stretching my hip flexors and quads really well. Stretching my hamstring even gently (recommended for recovering from a hamstring strain) actually irritated it more. Even now occasionally I'll feel that posterior pain, but if I stop and stretch my hip flexors it goes away. Now that it's better, I'm careful to stretch both my hip flexors and my hamstrings to try to keep everyone happy.
My two favorite hip flexor stretches:
1. While standing, grab your heel behind you with the same hand. Do this really common quad stretch, but be sure to stand up as straight as you can. If you lean forward you miss the hip flexor part of the stretch. You can do it in front of a mirror to check yourself.
2. Start at a kneeling position with one knee up and one knee down. Stretch the leg that's down out behind you so that your knee is no longer at 90 degrees. Lean forward on your other foot until your knee is a little past your ankle, (Don't freak out, people; it's not a lunge.) Put your hands on your hips and then lean back keeping your torso as long as possible. I think of going backwards and up and making a big "C" with my back and back leg. You should feel this through your hip and groin on the side of the back leg. For more of a stretch, take your hands from your hips and raise them by your head.

If you've got what I had, you're dealing with inflammation from an irritated attachment site, so ice and anti-inflammatories will help the pain the most.

Try these stretches, but, of course, use your judgement about what's going on and what helps and what doesn't.

Best of luck,
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Susan!

Thank you so much! You're an Angel! I had a sneaking suspicion it was something that might be related to an irritated attachment point, but I just never had the problem so "high up" before and wasn;t making the connection... I had some trouble with irritation at the heel of the achilles tendon because of tightness in the calf muscle and stretching/kneading and anti-inflammatories got rid of that.

Kneading the hamstring a bit, it is noticeable now that I am looking for it, that the muscles do feel significantly tighter than on the rear leg side. I'm thinking maybe because in the particular drill where this started, I was positioned in the line at the furthest point from the coach, as such I had to hold the lunge (which I always try to extend to the maximum) for much longer than almost everyone else as he walked down the line correcting form and making suggestions... Everyone else popped up after a bit when the burning started, but I always try to hold form until told to return to en garde... (looks like I should have followed the others lead)

As an aside that I didn't mention in the original I had forgotten my gear at home (I normally go to the Salle right after work) and so I had to drive home and back to the Salle in heavy traffic. As such I ran in, changed and dropped into the drill line stressed from sitting in traffic with absolutely no warmup or prestretch (normally about 20-30 minutes of my pre-class routine)

I think I may have knotted the muscle, and I'll work that region by kneading with a broom handle or something like I did with the calf... and I'll do the stretch you described as well... I was doing a standard hamstring stretch, but I think it wasn't working closely enough to the groin area and was only targetting one set of attachment points...

Thanks again! excited now to get home and start working on it
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Ache in the butt can also be a sign of a sciatica (sp?) that's developing. Make sure you see a doctor and that when you are fencing your spine is well aligned and straight. A lot of people tend to fence with a bent back and over time it can develop into a sciatica.

If you've never had back aches before after a tough practice, this is probably not it though...
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Re: Muscle soreness/partial pull treatment?

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I'm in a bit of a bind physically (no pun intended)

After a particularly intense set of drills 4 days ago which emphasized reverse direction footwork drills and the lunge, I've had some moderately intense muscle soreness/pain in the right hamsting area extending up to the glute area...

Muscle pain that does not continuously resolve itself within 96 hours is an indication that something is wrong -- that is the very outer limit for normal muscle recovery from exercise. Even if I go skiing for the weekend, bashing moguls all weekend long, I will recover within 48 hours.

I think you should see a doctor, and take his advice as to what you should do for treatment.
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