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Ripost · 10-07-2003, 08:47 AM

On a competetion in Germany, somebody told me that there were pistes (are they called strips in english?) that you just rolled out and they stuck on the floor due to something rubber underneath them. As easy to roll back again afterwards. Anyone knows what manufacturer makes these?

MyraTrue · 10-07-2003, 10:08 PM

Ripost...

some people call them grounded strips, others grounded Piste.... all the same thing. They are VERY nice for tournaments, because a toe shot in epee that hits the floor doesn't register. Neither do foils that hit the floor on accident, due to a forceful parry, etc.

The down side about copper stripping is that its EXPENSIVE!!!

IE: www.fencesmart.com :Copper Piste, $1900

http://www.uhlmann-fechtsport.de: copper piste, ~$1600 etc

http://www.thefencingpost.com : copper piste, $1860 (they are a US vendor for Uhlmann, so you can see there's a markup!)

In honesty, its a shop around kind of buying. You can also buy aluminum piste that is layed down in sections on the floor. They look like cheese graters, and destroy your knees if you fall on them, but they do the same thing. I know Uhlmann sells them by the section...

Anyway, they're a lot of work to put down, so most people either have one permanently installed in the floor (like the aluminum piste's) or only for tournaments. You can roll the copper piste's out and tape them down (more precautions need to be taken with wooden flooring.)

Hope something in there helps
Myra

edew · 10-07-2003, 10:48 PM

I doubt there's much of a mark-up. The cost to ship a 150lb (or so) rolled up piece of metal is not cheap. The Fencing Post doesn't make its own strips, and need to ship them in.

MyraTrue · 10-07-2003, 11:59 PM

Thats true EDew... those things weight like a rock. I just know it was cheaper for us as a club to go through Uhlmann, so we payed that cost of shipping only once. And Post... well, they give a 020% discount... I think it applies to strips too. And thats significant, and more than compensates for the increase in price over Uhlmann. I like the Fencing Post...

DangerMouse · 10-08-2003, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ripost
On a competetion in Germany, somebody told me that there were pistes (are they called strips in english?) that you just rolled out and they stuck on the floor due to something rubber underneath them. As easy to roll back again afterwards. Anyone knows what manufacturer makes these?

I think the original question was more about pistes with a rubber base that do not need to be taped to the floor. I heard Leon Paul is developing a conductive rubber piste, but it is not on the market yet.

Ripost · 10-09-2003, 06:01 AM

What Dangermouse mentioned was what I meant. Perhaps my english was not good enough to eplain it (second language). But if they are not on the market, how come it was used in Germany? I heard from a relilable source that was on location. How great wouldn´t it be to get rid of all the taping on friday nights before tournaments? Anyone from Leon Paul care to comment on the product?

rory · 10-09-2003, 07:02 AM

If you re-ask the same question on FencingForum.com, there's usually someone from LP about.

ccm · 10-09-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ripost
On a competetion in Germany, somebody told me that there were pistes (are they called strips in english?) that you just rolled out and they stuck on the floor due to something rubber underneath them. As easy to roll back again afterwards. Anyone knows what manufacturer makes these?

Last weekend I fenced on a tournament in Mülheim, Germany, where I saw one of those pistes you mentioned. I had the opportunity to lift one of the rolled-up pistes (it is supposed to weigh about 25 kg), which can be carried by one, compared to slugging around a copper piste. I also saw one laid out and walked a bit around on it. Unfortunately I was not fencing on that piste.

Pricing is around 1990 EUR.

The dealer is called ARTOS (http://www.artos-sport.de/). Unfortunately the site seems to be only in German.

Here is their address (copied from their web page, remember to replace the leading 0 with 49 if calling them from abroad):

Artos
Schkeuditzer Weg
04435 Schkeuditz/OT Kursdorf
Telefon: 034204/12471
Telefax: 034204/12472
E-mail: steffen_grollmisch@web.de

Good luck!

Cheers,
Chris

R. Exnicios · 10-09-2003, 04:47 PM

I went to the Artos site and it is indeed all in German. My German is not very good (okay all I can do is order a beer and ask where is the toilet) so I could not find a pict or info on this new Piste. Can one of the German speakers out there find it on the site for us?

Thanks

Cheers

frenzl · 10-09-2003, 05:19 PM

can't you just translate the site with google transler? That should do it but if you click sopmething it usually goes back to the original language.

grphiw · 10-09-2003, 06:33 PM

I've seen some kind of rubber strip on Blue Gauntlet. Is that any good?

ccm · 10-10-2003, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by R. Exnicios
I went to the Artos site and it is indeed all in German. My German is not very good (okay all I can do is order a beer and ask where is the toilet) so I could not find a pict or info on this new Piste. Can one of the German speakers out there find it on the site for us?

Thanks

Cheers

Well, unfortunately there simply is no info about that piste on the site yet. Also the pricing for the other products seems a bit off, too. Actually they sell at similar prices as Allstar and Uhlmann.

Your best bet to get any info about the piste would be to ask by e-mail for a product flyer. I saw one lying around in English at their booth, so they should be able to send you something by e-mail.

Cheers,
Chris

Ripost · 10-27-2003, 09:50 AM

ccm: Thanks! I will mail them.

Ripost · 10-27-2003, 11:16 AM

Here is some information on the pistes in question. Probably translated with bablefish or such.
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The new ARTOS Fencingpiste

The new fencingpist of kind OS sport knowing it that? Heavy, unmanageable fencingpistes, which are used still rarely in addition? Created aids? Nerved resounding control room and caretaker? Determines! Well-known fencingpists are with their approx. 70 kg weight extremely heavily. Their transport and its professional storage are very time-consuming and stressfull. Sticking and strutting of the courses together are just as pedantic. Before the match began, aids and sportsman the first time are physically in demand. Injury of side edges and holes in the course, which can be avoided, do not require often expensive and very difficult repairs by special companies. For all these reasons your fencingpistes are used only with matches and young new generation sportsmen to have without fencingpistes to train. But does not have to be there! The company Artos developed and on high-ranking tournaments tested one again in research work for many years generation of fencingpistes. These new fencingpistes were examined by the German patent office. Professor Doktor Swindell of the Pennsylvania State University the USA examined the new material in scientific test series and published over it in several scientific magazines. The new patented fencingpistes are unbelievably easy! Only 24.5 kg! Thus the structure of these new fencingpistes becomes the children's game. In only 5 minutes a course is completely shifted! By the 2-komponenten-Aufbau, consisting of skid-proof lower surface and electrically conductive top side sticking together and strutting escape the course completely! Thus the new piste is in the best way suitable not only for matches but also an ideal course for daily training. A piste, simply to unroll like a carpet – unbelievably. Arndt Schmidt convinced itself in the „Casino to Leverkusen“ from the quality of the new fencing carpet and already crossed on it the blade with Sven Ottke. With the final in the hotel „Steglitz International“ Ralf Biesdorf on this patented pist looked for the duel against the olympia winner and world champion Golbkow. All sportsmen, structure aid and organizer, who were allowed to learn the new fencingpiste to know, are inspired and recommend the employment of the new piste. Use also it the many advantages of this fencingpiste! Their club members, fencing friends and match participants enthusiastically and grateful to be! Even if you should decide for the acquisition of a new fencingpiste of the company Artos, use please the enclosed purchase order. If you should be interested in the new fencinpiste at a later time, fill out please the reservation light.

Specialprice: without TAX only 1.990 EUR

Contact

Artos

Steffen Grollmisch

Schkeuditzer Weg

04435 Schkeuditz / OT Kursdorf

GERMANY

Telefon: 034204/64760
Telefax: 034204/64722
E-mail: steffen_grollmisch@web.de

steffen_grollmisch@t-online.de

fechter · 08-03-2006, 12:19 PM

The new ARTOS fencing pistes are patented. ARTOS sells the original fencing
pistes, authorized by the FIE. These are the same models which were used for
the 2005 WC.

www.fencing-pistes.com
www.artos-sport.de

great bowyer · 08-03-2006, 05:19 PM

there is a link(country flags) in the top right corner of the artos page that translates the site to english.

seven6ty · 08-03-2006, 06:38 PM

My friend piste me off this one time...

keropie · 08-03-2006, 06:41 PM

Always better to be piste off than piste on. . .

brtech · 08-04-2006, 12:23 PM

We had one strip like this in Summer Nationals. It was suppled by Absolute Fencing, who says they will be carrying the strip at about $1800, but the price is not set yet. Leon Paul also indicates they will have a similar strip available. I do not know if these are actually the Artos product or not.

They are a rubber base, with a conductive cloth surface bonded to it.

It took us 10 minutes to set it up, but they had rolled it inside out, and Amanda wanted to make sure all the "bubbles" were out of it before we taped down the far end. When rolled right, you basically tape down one end, kick roll it down, smooth out the bubbles if any and tape the far end down. One or two people, 5 minutes tops. One person can carry it. Takes about 1/2 or less space than a copper strip.

In the 7 fencing days I was at SN, it developed 7 or so holes, none of which I think were big enough to have an epee fail to ground correctly. There is some concern that even though it has a rubber base, when laid over concrete, it will be very "hard". It cannot be used over carpet.

I'm personally skeptical it will last, even one season, in USFA NAC use, but it sure would make a nice Division grounded strip.

KD5MDK · 08-04-2006, 12:42 PM

What would it take to repair the holes? Easy or hard?