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Squall_Leonhart · 10-04-2003, 08:56 PM

Someone fill me in on the policy of college sports. Fencing in this case. Is it true that college fencing is not allowed to be affiliated to a highschool in any way?
With the exception of the college holding lessons for all where highschoolers may attend, I was told that college fencers and coach(es) were not allowed to be interacting with any highschool (i.e. coming to our school and showing a demo and a seminar).

Is this true?
I understand that if this law was not existent, colleges may show bias to certain schools, but a demo and a seminar shouldn't hurt anyone now, would it? It is education after all.

Windsor · 10-04-2003, 09:13 PM

I know that there's a rule against recruiting until a certain time period and perhaps a demonstration could be intrepreted as recruiting? I'm not too sure about it, it could be completely unrelated to recruiting.

MyraTrue · 10-05-2003, 04:16 AM

The club I fenced with works with a highschool on a fairly regular basis. We do this on our own time, and because we want to, but we've never had anyone tell us no. We've had a couple of highschoolers come to fence with the club as well, but I'm not sure how that is handled.

I know they are curently doing demo's for the boys and girls club, not sure if they are teaching as well. Could very well become that.

However, if your university is Varsity, that might make a difference?

Myra

MyrddinsPrecint · 10-06-2003, 12:28 AM

all i really know is that it has to do with NCAA regulations.

if the college has fencing as a club sport rather than a NCAA sport, i assume that the club wouldn't run into the same problems...

oh, and, the ncaa regulations make very little sense regarding fencing, and much more sense regarding football and basketball. if anything ncaa related just doesn't make any sense, pretend your an awesome football player, and suddenly it makes more sense....

nahouw · 10-06-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by Squall_Leonhart
Someone fill me in on the policy of college sports. Fencing in this case. Is it true that college fencing is not allowed to be affiliated to a highschool in any way?
With the exception of the college holding lessons for all where highschoolers may attend, I was told that college fencers and coach(es) were not allowed to be interacting with any highschool (i.e. coming to our school and showing a demo and a seminar). Is this true?
I understand that if this law was not existent, colleges may show bias to certain schools, but a demo and a seminar shouldn't hurt anyone now, would it? It is education after all.

The NCAA regulations are clear -- you can go to the NCAA website and download the regs to see what is and is not allowed.

I know that a coach cannot talk to certain students of their year until a certain point -- I think that they can talk to seniors, but they cannot talk to juniors until after the summer, and they can talk to freshman and sophomores anytime, however, if the student approaches the coach to start a dialog, then that is allowed -- but I'm not a college coach, so I don't really know. I do know that a coach cannot coach a high shool team and a college team -- although I know of some coaches who coach a girl's college team and a boy's High School team, which in someway gets around the regs -- i.e. this situation isn't explicitly covered in the regs, and nobody has ever challenged it.

I know as a referee, when the kids ask me things, some people have warned me that even I can't say some things under NCAA regs, so when they ask, I then talk to the parents to answer.

I think in fencing that some of the regs are ignored, just by the nature of the sport, that the regs are really intended for the big sports, and fencing is such a small world.

Definitely under the regs, a college coach coming to a High School to do a demo would be construed as recruiting, and depending on the age group, some of it would appear to be off-limits.

MyrddinsPrecint · 10-06-2003, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by nahouw
The NCAA regulations are clear

wow... first time i've heard someone say that....

Squall_Leonhart · 10-11-2003, 05:36 PM

That wouldn't be recruiting because you can't recruit someone who has only fenced....say for the hour before? I'm sure the coach wouldn't want US to be on his team. besides, he didn't show up anyway.

WJM · 10-11-2003, 08:26 PM

As I understand it, a coach at a NCAA program may not initate contact until after June 1st of the athlete's Junior year in HS. A coach isn't to coach a HS program as well as coach at their NCAA program. There is one HS in the chicago area which has been affected by this in recent months. As was posted earlier, all the regs are available from the NCAA website.

WJM · 10-11-2003, 08:27 PM

As I understand it, a coach at a NCAA program may not initate contact until after June 1st of the athlete's Junior year in HS. A coach isn't to coach a HS program as well as coach at their NCAA program. There is one HS in the chicago area which has been affected by this in recent months. As was posted earlier, all the regs are available from the NCAA website.

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