10-03-2003, 12:35 PM
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#1 | | Just Joined
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| Stoopid newbie question : No 2
Hi
is there a friendly rivalry between practitioners of the three weapons?
Are there ever any matches between two different weapons?
just wondering  
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10-03-2003, 12:45 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sydney
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| Ummm none that I've heard of...
Its far too different...
Besides... different target area, rules and I have no idea how you can modify an electric box or train hand judges...
I think its far too impractical  | |
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10-03-2003, 12:47 PM
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#3 | | Fencing Expert
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| Yes. Endless jokes about why my weapon is better than the others or why weapon x is worse (or about foilists needing an extra hour on their hair before competing, etc.).
No. There are no rules or provisions for fencing interweapon. It isn't done (other than in people screwing around after practice type unofficial stuff after negotiating ad hoc rules).
-B :)
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10-03-2003, 12:47 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Redlands, CA
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| Rivalry?
Absolutely. After all, epee is the weapon of the gods!
Friendly?
Thats debatable
I've never heard of any cross weapon bouts - the rules would be too confusing - I'm fencing epee and you have a saber, does that mean I can hit you anywhere but you can only hit me from the waist up? Also, I can't think of a way to rig the scoring box to make it work. The box would probably do a HAL 9000 on you (...I'm sorry, Dave. I can't let you do that...)
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10-03-2003, 01:43 PM
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#5 | | Fencing Expert
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| Quote: Originally posted by oiuyt
[...](or about foilists needing an extra hour on their hair before competing, etc.).[...]
-B | That extra hour is the average, caused solely by including Frank Boidin's time to get his hair ready. Remove that outlier and it's almost no different than others.
I guess the women foilist and their pigtails also have an effect. I understand there are more scrunchies per capita in the women's foil world than in any other sport.
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10-03-2003, 07:06 PM
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#6 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Quote: Originally posted by npkeith
Rivalry?
Absolutely. After all, epee is the weapon of the gods! |
And since there ARE no gods, well....
Anyway, epeeists are too susceptible to the lure the MSS thong. Nobody wants to see that! | |
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10-03-2003, 10:07 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Inquartata
epeeists are too susceptible to the lure the MSS thong. Nobody wants to see that! | Aren't you missing him Inq.? | |
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10-04-2003, 03:29 AM
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#8 | | Senior Member
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| Its all about the 2 inch "pigtails" that stick up like spikes 
I have to agree, epee is the weapon of the Gods... which must be why I love it, hold it in great awe, and fence it terribly. DAMN this being a mortal.
However, the one weapon cross I've ever fenced is what the club termed "Faber"- Fencing with sabre lamee, mask etc, but with foils. (We were short on sabres, so it was the next best we could do). It was hysterical to watch, and trying to dirrect... well...
Of course, you could write a book of jokes about each weapon, and those that fence it. | |
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10-04-2003, 05:29 AM
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#9 | | Senior Member
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| Some people do fence all three weapons competitively however even they tend to have a preference of one weapon over the other two. i for example fence all three but prefer to fence epee over the other two. and prefer sabre to foil. I have fenced off weapon bouts but usually only as a teaching aid to show that poor technique is not remedied by changing weapons or similar idea. that said however i use the buzzer boxes and dry officiating to do so. and it is clumsy at best but an effective lesson | |
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10-04-2003, 05:30 PM
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#10 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Quote: Originally posted by MyraTrue
However, the one weapon cross I've ever fenced is what the club termed "Faber"- Fencing with sabre lamee, mask etc, but with foils. (We were short on sabres, so it was the next best we could do). It was hysterical to watch, and trying to dirrect... well...
| Better to call it Faber than Soil---though the latter is probably more accurate... | |
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10-05-2003, 04:22 AM
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#11 | | Senior Member
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| Inq, I'd almost lean over and stab you in the toe with my epee were I able. Soil... *grumble*
It was no such thing. It was good fun, and after all, what do you expect for fencing on a Sunday morning? | |
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10-06-2003, 05:49 AM
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#12 | | Just Joined
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| Quote: Originally posted by npkeith
I've never heard of any cross weapon bouts - the rules would be too confusing - I'm fencing epee and you have a saber, does that mean I can hit you anywhere but you can only hit me from the waist up? Also, I can't think of a way to rig the scoring box to make it work. The box would probably do a HAL 9000 on you (...I'm sorry, Dave. I can't let you do that...) | Heh...
Couldnt you just apply the rules for the individual or are my grasps of rules lacking somewhat...
I mean why shouldnt an epee weilder (damn! I must learn terminology) have all the targets that they would when fencing another epeeist (term?).. even when fencing sabre.. and vice versa...
Wouldnt it bring an awareness of distance to the Sabre personage as they have to bear in mind thier legs are a target and a new perspective on defense for the epeeist (being cut at a coser range)....????
I dunno I'm just a stoopid newbie..please dont hit me
Sorry for my terrible post... I'll read up more for next time promise
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10-07-2003, 02:45 AM
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#13 | | Senior Member
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| thats actually an intersting thought... as in, the epee fencer attacks the sabre fencer in epee target area, while the sabre fencer attacks the epee fencer only in sabre target?
Could be fun. | |
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10-07-2003, 06:13 AM
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#14 | | Just Joined
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| Surely the difference in styles will only bring awareness of the individual techniques... and appreciate the uniquness more.
Plus surely the dueling aspect on which some of these sports are based would have had situations where opponents had differing weapons...
hmm I'm waffling again.. sorry too much coffee
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10-07-2003, 08:29 AM
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#15 | | Just Joined
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| One cross I´ve heard abot is some polish immigrants in France that fence epee with foil rules (on double touches) and a slightly larger lames (a bit down each arm). The reason I heard was that this combination would encourage both technique and "duelstyle"-fencing. Anyone else heard of this? | |
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10-07-2003, 10:25 AM
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#16 | | Senior Member
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| I've fenced foil vs sabre and foil vs epee, and epee vs sabre before in practice. Kinda weird fencing with each side having different rules.
I think being a foilest it wasn't so much of a stretch, I think most of us have had bouts where it felt like the directors were using different rules for who got right of way on each side sometimes.
I also did foil vs sword and dagger, and foil vs two swords, and foil vs the bigger schlager swords when I visited a SCA based Salle.  | |
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10-08-2003, 12:27 AM
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#17 | | Senior Member
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| I've seen all 3 combinations of the weapons done with practice weapons, but that was about it. The most interesting was epee vs. sabre. It was basically modified sabre rules but much more lax right of way, among other things. Still, it all was weird.
And what do you mean by rivarly? There's no contest. Epee beats all. 
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10-08-2003, 07:15 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member
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| Rivalry
There is no rivalry because epee and foil know their limits. They know that they cant come close to sabre | |
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10-09-2003, 06:29 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member
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| Epee has virtually no limits compared to sabre and foil. Epee doesn't have ROW, no lames to limit scoring zones, and no funny looking body cord that can be plugged in in only one way, to name a few reasons.
So epee rules.
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10-09-2003, 09:24 PM
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#20 | | Curmudgeon-in-Chief
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| Phhht! By that logic playing "army men" is superior to chess... | |
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