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Old 09-29-2003, 08:00 AM   #1
John Sullins
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[CFML] Central Invitation

Jennifer,

You are right, Dr. Gaugler does not seem to focus on a central guard which
does seem curios since he was a student of Nadi. In all my years in his
program I can't recall it being brought up except rhetorically. But he was
trained by other maestros as well and his goal was to pass on a more or less
pure Italian school rather than the idiosyncratic style of Nadi. While
living in the East coast I meet a number of people who had trained with
Eddie Lucia who was a coach at Salle Santelli for years. He had also
trained with Nadi and passed on that style more exactly. From what I
learned from talking to them this seems to be the rationale.

The central guard must be well extended and the distance from your opponent
kept correctly. Technically speaking all lines are open but in practice
they are actually all easily closed by small parries. Also actions on the
blade are facilitated by the fact that your blade is almost always extremely
close to your opponents. Additionally counter attacks such as the
disengagement in time are common since your opponent will be tempted to take
your well extended blade. I was taught this style of fencing by Mr. Neil
Lazar who studied with Lucia and this strategy does work well but is not
fool proof and can be bested by flicks which just ignore your successful
counter attacks; given the modern interpretations of right of way. But in
its day this would have been a winning strategy.

Maestro John Sullins


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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:52:32 -0700
From: "Jennifer Walton" <jwalton@infolore.org>
Subject: RE: Central Invitation

Robert said:

>Nadi also encouraged the central invitation, meaning
>that ALL lines were open, which is something I don't
>recall Gaugler teaching, and I don't follow.


BTW, it has also been my experience at SJSU that Maestro Gaugler does not
teach a "central" invitation. My comments only stem from a curiousity
regarding how and why Nadi arrived at this alteration from the classical
school (as we all know he was occasionally known to do).

Jennifer





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Old 09-29-2003, 08:01 PM   #2
Bob Lyle
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Re: [CFML] Central Invitation


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From: "John Sullins" <j_sullins@comcast.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:26 AM
Subject: [CFML] Central Invitation


.....
> The central guard must be well extended and the distance from your

opponent
> kept correctly. Technically speaking all lines are open but in practice
> they are actually all easily closed by small parries. Also actions on the
> blade are facilitated by the fact that your blade is almost always

extremely
> close to your opponents. Additionally counter attacks such as the
> disengagement in time are common since your opponent will be tempted to

take
> your well extended blade. I was taught this style of fencing by Mr. Neil
> Lazar who studied with Lucia and this strategy does work well but is not
> fool proof and can be bested by flicks which just ignore your successful
> counter attacks; given the modern interpretations of right of way. But in
> its day this would have been a winning strategy.
>
> Maestro John Sullins
>

Not to mention that other fencers (particularly those French trained) find
your spaces and distances...indeterminate. Against a beginning to midlevel
fencer who has never seen it before it is good for 1-2 touches. At least
with vsual rule epee.

Maestro, Russell Wieder (he never used maestro, although I saw his diploma
and license) taught us to use pronated-hand parries, except for seventh low
inside (carte and sixte were used, but mostly as counter parries)., Was
this also from Naldi?

Bob Lyle



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