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benjamin1001 · 09-23-2003, 01:32 PM

I have only been fencing for a year and starting up a university fencing club with the help of a few freinds. But i'm not sure what kind of exercises I should be looking to teach the new crop of fencers? I what to peak there intreset with out over loading them, but at the same time I want to teach a good technique. There is one more problem that I have and that is a distinct lack of equipment I will have, 10 jackets, 6 masks, around 10 sowardsand plenty of gloves. So if anyone has any ideas let me know.
Ben

Nusy · 09-23-2003, 02:32 PM

Well, I'm a young fencer with only (???) seven years' experience, but I've been a "coach" for the youngers several times. These are my experiences:
1, Every lesson, teach something new, but always practise the old things.
2, If you don't wanna overload them, you should only teach them a few parries (learning them can be VERY boring...). First 6, then 2 or 8, then 1, 4 and last 7. They can parry anything, and by learning 4 very late, they won't get "addicted" to it...
3, Teach them the steps, the lunge and the patinando. If they want to, you can teach them the fléche, the radoptio...
4, Never teach the flick (coupé) before they have mastered the normal sprickle TOTALLY. Flick is very difficult to learn.There are many people in my club who want to use a flick, and they can't, AND they can't sprickle, so they always lose every bout...

If you have any more questions, PM me, please.

Nusy

grphiw · 09-23-2003, 08:35 PM

At the risk of sounding stupid, what's parry 2? Is that the one where the tip is down and in front to the left?

neevel · 09-23-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by grphiw
At the risk of sounding stupid, what's parry 2? Is that the one where the tip is down and in front to the left?

Covers the same line as 8 (outside low), but with the hand pronated (palm down) instead of supinated (palm up).

-Dave

Artisan · 09-24-2003, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Nusy
Well,....the radoptio...
..... they can't spricle

Nusy

Whats a radoptio? And who is spricle?

never heard these terms.

Nusy · 09-24-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Artisan
Whats a radoptio? And who is spricle?

never heard these terms.

Artisan,

Sprickle (sorry, I'm quite bad in typing..): when you attack and hit (valid or non-valid). Can be done by a lunge or just by stretching your arm... I'm not sure that it's the perfect term for it, it was in the dictionary...
Radoptio: one of my favourite attacks, also called redoblé. When you do it, you make a lunge, you don't hit, then you pull your "back leg" (right.handed: left, lefties: right) in and make another lunge.

Nusy

Guyra · 09-24-2003, 02:23 PM

radoptio= a redoublement in good old USA language

Although I like the first word better, I think Ill start using it. Still not sure about the sprickle one though. And I thought two was more of a raised 8 with the hand supponated, like in the same height as prime only on the outside line.

-Guyra

Wizardly · 09-24-2003, 05:02 PM

Not sure, but you might be thinking of the saber 2 parry guyra.

Is Radoptio the Italian version of "redoublement?" (Can I just offer one word of advice? If you wrote everything else in English, write EVERYTHING in Engish.)

Sprickle is a new one to me. I think we use the very technical term "poke" around here. Sometimes, we use the english "thrust." I'm guessing that's a foreign phrase too? Didn't find it in the dictionary (but then, "gullible" isn't in there either).

Guyra · 09-24-2003, 05:18 PM

Hmm I guess I might be, but I dont really care for sabre as much so I havnt done much in it, although its possible I was taught "2" in foil to be the same as it is in sabre without knowing. Hmm, maybe I can describe what i think it is a little better. Start with your hand in 6, then raise it straight up to about prime hight but keep the blade in almost an 8 angle. That's raised 8 right? now supponate your hand, so its almost like taking a prime straight over to your outside line.

wow that's kind of hard to describe, and at any rate its a next to useless parry, but I play with it now and then, there has to be something useful to do with it. maybe I can make a secret attack out of it or something

Rolls · 09-24-2003, 05:24 PM

Well, if it's any help I've noticed a lot of places in the southeast US teach parry 2 as a high outside parry with hand pronated (but still with the blade pointed downward). I don't know where this started but I've seen and heard of a lot of people teaching it that way. Most books that I have read define parry 2 as low outside pronated.

Rolls

vegan · 09-24-2003, 10:22 PM

two things,
Nusy, perhaps you mean extend? thats sort of what it sounds like. My class today slapped each other a lot- but then they ain't got a whole bunch of control just yet- at least they moved some (it's an epee team that I took over this week). So for sure they have not mastered the sprickle!!!
Parry two is quite good for some opponents (in foil) I use it quite a bit with a flick after (hmmm, just like err every other parry i use!!!

) or a coupe repost (but straight to the target, it looks a little like a wheel on the right side of the body, with the hand changing from six to pronation to low line, then backing around the blade, back to six).
Cheers,
B.

OCTAVIA · 09-25-2003, 02:58 PM

Dear Future Olympiad Coach!

Your topic is timely! We here in the state of X, have recently thrown out a Coach for violence on the job. He attacked another person on the field, and was tossed out.

The word seems now to be "be nice" be nice, don't scream. A screaming person has something to hide, he is fearful and needs to control through screaming. If you echew screaming and opt for positive feedback you'll develop a winning team.

My feeling is that the bad coach syndrome has spread throughout the world, it's taught in camps and abroad, leading to unfortunate worldwide results. We can only bring about peace and unity through being nice and courteous. Believe it or not people can and do win even though they are nice.

Sincerely,
Octavia, wife of Nero\Born 42 bc.

MyraTrue · 09-26-2003, 01:48 AM

hmm... parry 2. I was initially taught that parry 2 was pretty much prime, but (right handed) on the right side of the body, not the left as Prime is.

Imagine my surprise at getting yelled at for my "incesant parry 2" with a new coach. Parry 2? My hand was in my LOWLINE... then I found out 2 is indeed a palm-down (if you will) version of parry 8.

If you are going to teach, make it fun. When you teach things as games and challenges, its not drugery. Teh club I fenced with, and several subsequent ones, have done an excellent job of finding activities to take the boredom away and improve fencing.

rory · 09-26-2003, 05:08 AM

Parry 2 (seconde) is really useful - it's far stronger than 8 (octave) though it covers the same line.

Had a discussion with my coach about this last night - 2 is good when your opponent's attacking all out in the low line - step back, a nice strong beat parry in seconde and flick over the back as his lunge finishes - as the parry's pronated, you don't have to turn your hand to go for the flick, just raise it up.

Obviously because of the pronation, 2 isn't as good when you're going to have to feint afterwards or go to chest, because you've got to turn your hand back over, and that takes extra time.