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View Poll Results: Who is going to win the men's saber world championships? | |
Pozdniakov (RUS)
|     | 16 | 50.00% | |
Tarantino (ITA)
|    | 2 | 6.25% | |
Smart (USA)
|    | 7 | 21.88% | |
Ferjancsik (HUN)
|    | 4 | 12.50% | |
Other
|    | 3 | 9.38% | 
09-16-2003, 11:34 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| Men's Saber Worlds - who's gonna win???
Please tell me your opinion!!! Myself, I hope Nemcsik or Ferjancsik will win... | 
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09-16-2003, 12:22 PM
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| You didn't include Covaliu or montano in your poll??
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09-16-2003, 01:07 PM
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| *tic*
They're included.... see 'other'
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09-16-2003, 03:30 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by whtouche
You didn't include Covaliu or montano in your poll?? | I'm sorry, I just included the most possible names. And I didn't include Nemcsik either, though he's my personal favourite and the Hungarian champion!
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09-16-2003, 10:34 PM
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| Since he's ranked #2 in the world, former world champion(I think?), I'd say covaliu is just as likely if not more so than anyone else on the list.
Ill stop nitpicking now tho 
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09-17-2003, 03:49 AM
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| Couvaliu won't make top-4. Maybe break top-8.
I'll go out on another limb here: Ivan Lee does better than Keeth Smart.
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09-17-2003, 10:17 AM
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| I was very impressed with Couvaliu but not sure where he will end up at the WC. Might actually be better not to win this going into the Olympic year. Need to peak just at the right time. Hope Smart or someone else from the US can do that. | |
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09-17-2003, 10:18 AM
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| I would agree in general that Ivan lee should do very well, especially considering his recent-ish rise on the international scene, but I don't think he'll do better than keeth.
Ivan lee...top 16 definetly. Top 8? maybe..
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09-17-2003, 08:04 PM
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| Considering that with "other" you get a lot more chances of being right than with the specific choices, that's how I'd bet... | |
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09-17-2003, 08:59 PM
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| Edew, not to question your expertness, but why?
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09-18-2003, 01:11 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by whtouche
I would agree in general that Ivan lee should do very well, especially considering his recent-ish rise on the international scene, but I don't think he'll do better than keeth.
Ivan lee...top 16 definetly. Top 8? maybe.. | I would be surprised if Lee made top 16. Beating Covaliu once at a weak world cup does not mean that he can beat fencers Covaliu beats or even repeat his defeat of Covaliu. Lee i think will almost deffinitely make the 32 but is not going to make the 8. | |
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09-18-2003, 01:55 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by westcoastsabre
Edew, not to question your expertness, but why? | I'm going out on a limb. Just making a wild guess based solely on intuition with no basis of rationality.
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09-19-2003, 11:50 AM
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| Covaliu has great traditional form -> superb footwork!. I would expect him to be in the hunt at the Worlds. At the NYC WC Medina beat him (to make top 4) by making some very risky si parries at the close of the best fenced match of the day. By the way I have this match on video tape. | |
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10-07-2003, 04:43 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by edew
Couvaliu won't make top-4. Maybe break top-8.
I'll go out on another limb here: Ivan Lee does better than Keeth Smart. | As much as it pains me to say it, and I'm terribly disappointed at the outcome: he shoots, he scores!
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10-07-2003, 04:54 PM
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| Here's the rationale, if there is any:
Ivan won the National Championships. Keeth lost going into the final-8.
It is really important to go into a major competition with a solid victory under one's belt. I don't think Keeth (or Ivan) had any competition, major or minor, since the Nationals. They're training, but in the back of one's mind is the "coulda woulda shoulda" that one can't shake until one actually goes and win one to shake off the "uldas".
If the NY folks were more concerned about winning, they should have weekly real competitions (not scrapped together impromptu ones) to prepare the fencers mentally. Can you win the big one? Put some "money" on the line (money in quotes because it doesn't actually need to be real money, just something that makes the event distinguished from your run-of-the-mill practice session at the club).
That's why people like Gruchala did so well: they're finishing the season with several strong wins. Wins, that is, not good finishes or better than expected finishes.
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10-07-2003, 05:28 PM
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| Another telling factoid is that Ivan was at the Pan Am Games. Keeth was not. That was not a good idea by his coaches and/or the USFA. That should have been the warm-up event to let him coast into the World Championships.
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10-07-2003, 05:28 PM
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| Well Edew you really picked it, nice one...
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10-07-2003, 05:32 PM
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| Luck ran out -> Covaliu makes the top 4. LOL!
1 LUKASHENKO Vladimir UKR
4 FERJANCSIK Domonkos HUN
3 COVALIU Mihai ROM
2 MONTANO Aldo ITA
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10-07-2003, 05:47 PM
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| I think Montano will win...
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10-07-2003, 06:07 PM
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| Let's look at it this way: of the four names on the poll, the one I chose is the only one left. Poz is out, Tarantula is out, Smart's done.
I did give Couvaliu the benefit to making top-8.
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