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Old 09-29-2003, 10:31 PM   #41
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My mother when confronted by mormons, JW's or any other door knocking religion either doesnt answer the door and lets the dog bark manically (he sounds like a rotwieller but is actually a terrier), or opens the door and says " I'm so glad you came, I want to tell you all about being -insert random religion-". Its quite funny, they generally disappear quite quickly.
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You know, when I was a fresh faced mormon door knocker if you told me your spagetti sauce was on fire I'd have either waved good-by or offered to help put it out. (depending on whether or not I oculd see smoke....)

Back on the main topic, I personally don't really care if hoimosexual couple adopt. I don't necesarily think it is a great idea but it sure as hell beat beats being raised in an institution or by the random issue foster care system.

Of course I have no real problem with genetic engineering either so my views are prehaps suspect.
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There is a method which allows X and Y sperm to be separated to a reported 80% degree of success for X and I think a 70% for Y. The process involves, if I remember correctly, staining the nuclei of the sperm, and then a laser refractometer separates the sperm into 2 "gates" according to the amount of stain uptake. I think the method has been shown to work, at least better than random chance, but I've never read any scientific papers on it, so I'm not sure. The problems are: the sperm sample must be very large; the sperm are kind of "beaten up" by the whole process, so the necessary in vitro fertilization following segregation leads to smaller numbers of successful embryos; it's very expensive; there's only 1 place in the country (maybe in the world) where it can be done. The risks are that nobody really knows yet if the dye causes any subtle genetic damage after fertilization; and in vitro fertilization always has a higher risk of genetic defects, low birth weight babies, developmental delay, etc.

Amniocentesis can be used to detect Down's syndrome, and the parents can be given the option of abortion.

I'm also pretty sure that there already exists the technology whereby in vitro embryos can be screened for certain well known genetic defects. They harvest a cell from the embryo at a stage when it won't be "missed" (the 8 cell or 16 cell stage, I think, but I could be wrong). If the cell shows the obvious genetic marker for the disease, the embryo is discarded. I'm sure that with the human genome mapping having been completed, more and more genetic markers for disease will be discovered. As the demand for genetic screening increases (assuming it does), the techniques for embryo screening will no doubt improve.

Gene therapy using retroviruses to alter the DNA of grown individuals in order to correct genetic diseases is still in its infancy, but advancing quickly. Some successes have been seen with cystic fibrosis, I believe, but again I'm not sure. I know other attempts have been disappointing, but I can't remember what's been tried. There doesn't seem to be anything that would prevent the process from being theoretically possible, anyway.

All of the foregoing is just to point out that the future is already here. The technology will improve. I don't believe the genie will be placed back in the bottle. The only choice we will have is whether to utilize the technology for our children or not.

And yes, it is VERY scary.
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Old 03-11-2004, 08:42 AM   #44
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All of the foregoing is just to point out that the future is already here. The technology will improve. I don't believe the genie will be placed back in the bottle. The only choice we will have is whether to utilize the technology for our children or not.

And yes, it is VERY scary.
exactly the point of the second question the thread poses- is it right?

anyway, really enjoyed reading everyone's views
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Hats (or masks) off to Cpt.Slo-Mo and Soldier for you very wise words!

And to Marcos for starting this very interesting thread.

I wish my english was better, it's difficult to put your words right in an important discussion like this! *frustrated*
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