modern fencing (sport fencing) vs classical?

[Popper]

what is the difference between classical fencing and modern fencing?

[D'Artagnan1673]

This is my definition.
Classical fencing tires to hold fencing at its state right before the advent of electric scoring devices. Modern fencing takes the advantages of the scoring system and allows fencing to take on new dynamics.

[Popper]

ahh ok, thanks

[D'Artagnan1673]

Allow me to go into more detail.

This is my paraphrase of Roger Crosnier's view of the advent of electrical scoring devices for the epee.

"Classical"/Non Electronic Epee

The epee was introduced last as a practical weapon to teach people how to fight duels. The weapon was fought outside in the grass to simulate the environment of a duel. Tournament rules were simple. The first person to hit, wins. If both make a touch and the strip judges could not determine who hit first, or they hit very close to the same time, both fencers recieve a touch and both are eliminated from the tournament.

Electronic Epee

Advantages:

The scoring device could decide who hit first. Also, tough shots to see such as touches to the hand were no longer a difficulty.

Disadvantages:

The rules began to go away from the concept of a duel. Bouts were fought to 5, 10 and now 15 touches. Fencers no longer felt the psychological caution of avoding a double touch as this no longer eliminated them from the tournament. As the bouts progressed to more touches, the dueling aspect of epee went away as further caution is lost when a fencer knows that a risky move may cost but a touch, not the whole bout.

Further advantages of electronic epee with 15 touches:

Fencers must be more dynamic. A lucky touch will no longer award a victory. The fencer must prove for 15 touches that he or she is a superior epeeist to the opponent. A wide range of strokes must be mastered so that the action can be mixed up.

My personal opinion: I like the modern epee, it is very dynamic. However, if there were to be a one touch epee tournament locally, I'd attend in a heartbeat.

I hope this helps in the context of epee.

[Christopher J Umbs]

Originally posted by D'Artagnan1673
This is my definition.
Classical fencing tires to hold fencing at its state right before the advent of electric scoring devices. Modern fencing takes the advantages of the scoring system and allows fencing to take on new dynamics.

Well there's not a universal definition of CF... different schools treat it differently. In some cases, it's sport fencing as practiced before electronic scoring, in other cases it's "what would you do if the blades were sharp".

Chris

[D'Artagnan1673]

Yup, I made sure the reader understood that was my definition since there are so many elements of the classical fencing movement.

[PeterGustafsson]

Hej Popper!

Som gamling i gården (här på fencing101) så kan jag berätta att det finns ett antal saker som alltid leder till mycket snack, men det brukar bli så att folk repeterar sina åsikter, utan att någon ändrar åsikt eller blir så mycket klokare. Ungefär som kärnkraftssnacket på sin tid, om du minns just före den folkomröstningen.

Dessa områden är:
1. Klassisk fäktning kontra modern - vilket är bättre?
2. Fördelar och nackdelar med snärtstötar
3. Olika tolkningar av prioritetsreglerna
4. Konstiga konsekvenser av det amerikanska systemet för att ranka fäktare

Om man tar upp dom frågorna så blir diskussionen lätt ordentligt infekterad, bara så att du vet det.

Med Fäkthälsningar!

Peter Gustafsson

PS: Jag besökte Leon Pauls affär i London föt ett antal år sedan, det kan varmt rekommenderas! Massor med grejer, och gubben i kassan var mycket hjälpsam.

[D'Artagnan1673]

For the benefit of the unlearned, someone should translate.

[Popper]

tack för tipset peter! men jag undrade inte vilken gren som är bäst.. utan vad de olika beteckningarna egentligen betyder.. å det tror jag att jag fått svar på.. *nyfiken*


translation: swedish101

thanks for the tip peter! but I didnt wonder what type of fencing was the best, just what differed between the types.. and I think I got an answer *qurious*

[D'Artagnan1673]

Thanks, Popper.

It seemed curious to me that Peter would post information in a language that very few people could read. I would think that if you were going to communicate in a native language you would do it in a private message. Otherwise all us dumb Americans that only know English would have no clue what was said; all the while being curious of what was said.

Maybe Peter just wanted to tell you to beware of anything D'Art says without me knowing he was saying that

[veeco]

The majority of the information available on the web is not in English. I don't have a problem with people using another language to communicate. Especially since if that wasn't the case my job would pretty much dissapear ;-).

Some people may come to this website and miss on a lot of interesting information just because they can't read English. They probably feel the same way you did when you read that message from Peter, yet they did not (or maybe they just could not) complain about it.

Besides, if everything was always in English it would be a boring, untasteful world, don't you think?

[vegan]

Hi all,
So - D'art, just us a web translator- I use them all the time for french (I an't spreak or read it, but I am into a style of music that has a lot of information in french) they often don't work great, but are enough to get the idea (usually!!)
Good luck,
B.

[MikeHarm]

Those web translators.. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, but when you do the translation people sound like idiots from another planet. They are really awful for the most part.

For fun to see what I mean, take something you wrote, have the site translate it into another language and back again. Its funny to read.

[Inquartata]

And that's assuming that you can find a good translator for the language you want.

Anyone know of a good one for Latin? How about Old Norse?

[cowpaste]

"Bill thinks that foil is cooler than saber."
becomes
"La facture pense que le clinquant est plus frais que le saber."
which becomes
"The invoice thinks that the foil is fresher than the saber."

See? Listen to your invoices. Sabreurs stink. :P

[Artisan]

Originally posted by veeco
The majority of the information available on the web is not in English.

Are you sure about that....MAJORITY? Really? I'd think it to be the opposite, more websites in english than any other language.

[veeco]

I am pretty sure. I read this in a specialized magazine for the software internationalization industry, called Multilingual.

I don't know if they have the article online. I'll see if I can look it up to make sure.

[OCTAVIA]

Hi Peter, I liked what you wrote, it gives the board a certain flare I like to try to figure out what stuff says anyway. Peter, we read about your PM, we're sorry, it sounds awful. Things here are a bit gloomy as well, chin up and carry on.

[Inquartata]

Originally posted by cowpaste
"La facture pense que le clinquant est plus frais que le saber."

Wow, I didn't realize that the Clinquant Empire had conquered France! ( Although, why not, everyone else has! )

Has StarFleet been informed?

[Capt. Slo-mo]

Originally posted by PeterGustafsson
Hej Popper!

Som gamling i gården (här på fencing101) så kan jag berätta att det finns ett antal saker som alltid leder till mycket snack, men det brukar bli så att folk repeterar sina åsikter, utan att någon ändrar åsikt eller blir så mycket klokare. Ungefär som kärnkraftssnacket på sin tid, om du minns just före den folkomröstningen.

Dessa områden är:
1. Klassisk fäktning kontra modern - vilket är bättre?
2. Fördelar och nackdelar med snärtstötar
3. Olika tolkningar av prioritetsreglerna
4. Konstiga konsekvenser av det amerikanska systemet för att ranka fäktare

Om man tar upp dom frågorna så blir diskussionen lätt ordentligt infekterad, bara så att du vet det.

Med Fäkthälsningar!

Peter Gustafsson

PS: Jag besökte Leon Pauls affär i London föt ett antal år sedan, det kan varmt rekommenderas! Massor med grejer, och gubben i kassan var mycket hjälpsam.

Loose translation provided my by $12.95 "Translo-Master" plug-in:

Hey, Dude!

I have many moles in my garden. I placed 101 feet of electrical fencing, and used my Beretta for the final solution when they emerged. They made a tasty snack for my men. The rest were taken by my wife Mycket and made into holiday ornaments for the Folk's Fair.

Things to ponder:
1. Why do modern batteries click?
2. My Ford makes funny noises in the snow.
3. My dottir Olika is waiting for her Tolkien collection to arrive.
4. Most Americans are constipated, and there is no system to correct this.

Many late night discussions can be found on infections from the veterinarians.

May your singing echo across the icy wastes!

Peterson of Gustav

Also: My wife Mycket bought a warm car in Belgium from Leon Paul. She recommends it, but wants to know why he has two first names.