09-11-2003, 03:09 PM
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#1 | | Senior Member
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| point control in epee?
Im new to fencing and would like som pointers (haha) on how to get better pointcontrol with my epee | 
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09-11-2003, 03:43 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| hang a tennis ball from a string and practice hitting it. From extension distance, advance, and lunge distances.
This has improved my point control.
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09-11-2003, 03:52 PM
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| thanks for the tip  | |
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09-11-2003, 05:42 PM
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| find someone who is a more experienced epeeist and have them act as a pin cussion- open up their arm, and letting you hit. This gives practice on all angles of the arm and hand, and teaches you how to attack if someone holds a poor guard.
Also, draw a box on a wall, and from lunge distance, try to hit the corners and the center dead on in succession.
Point control... lots of practice is best!  | |
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09-11-2003, 06:56 PM
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| ... Or work on "La mitraillette" (The Machine Gun) obviously you need a partner for this:
Hit in succession the following areas:
- Head
- Shoulder
- Elbow (Saignee)
- Hand
- Thigh
- Foot
And then come back up in reverse, first foot, then thigh, etc...
Try to start slow and increase the speed. This will teach you to hit all the major targets fast and will definitely improve your point control.
Another thing which is beneficial is to concentrate on your point in a couple of training bouts. Make sure you have it always pointing to your opponent during the whole bout.
Last but not least, make sure your posture is right, that your torso is erect, that you extend your arm before you lunge, etc...
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09-11-2003, 08:40 PM
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| Hi Veeco, is the "La Mitraillette" done with footwork or from a stationary position?
If with footwork what is the sequence?
If stationary what is the distance?
Thanks in advance.
I'm trying to put together a comprehensive basic training program for epee. covering footwork, distance, handwork, simple offence and defence and obviously point control. I would greatly appreciate any input on the matter.
This training program is geared for kids aged 12-14 and using the French grip (the new leon paul tennis looking type).
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09-11-2003, 08:47 PM
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| You can do it from various distances, advance distance, lunge, advance lunge.
Basically the footwork would be:
advance - hit somewhere - retreat
advance - hit somewhere else - retreat (and so on)
You can substitute the advance - retreat piece with the appropriate actions, e.g. lunge - recover, or advance lunge - recover retreat.
From stationery position I don't really see the benefit, and it would probably be bad with beginners to do it, as they don't know the footwork well enough to go fast without being sloppy.
Doesn't matter what type of grip you use, it works for French or pistol ;-)
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09-11-2003, 09:18 PM
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| I've got some pdf documents of epee training drills, etc. I'll post them on the site and provide a link here.
From the OTC several years back, but (IIRC) the program was based on the German program at the time.
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09-11-2003, 10:25 PM
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| Thanks veeco,
Craig, greatly appreciate if you would provide the link.
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09-13-2003, 09:46 PM
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| Hi Veeco: we do machine gun also, I just noticed your sequence is different, I want to try the sequence you suggested: we do -
hand-chest-knee-toe, but opps, we forgot the mask!
merci!
p.s. One more thought, in epee, if you do machine gun starting from the mask and working downward then the hit to the hand would be on top of the hand, but if you start with the toe and work up; you can hit the bottom of the hand - this is a very good drill.
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09-14-2003, 01:55 PM
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| I am doing a project on fencing for school, and I can't find the number of touches needed to win an epee bout! Can anyone help me? | |
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09-14-2003, 04:07 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Scuttlest
I am doing a project on fencing for school, and I can't find the number of touches needed to win an epee bout! Can anyone help me? | You can win an eppe bout without scoring any touches. But you need to win the coin flip too.  | |
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09-14-2003, 08:37 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Scuttlest
I am doing a project on fencing for school, and I can't find the number of touches needed to win an epee bout! Can anyone help me? | It is the same for all weapons, 5 touches for poule bouts, 15 for direct elimination bouts.
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09-14-2003, 11:56 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by epeefencer74
It is the same for all weapons, 5 touches for poule bouts, 15 for direct elimination bouts. |
Not quite...To win any bout in any weapon you only need one more touch than the opponent. However, Dee EffEll is correct; it is theoretically possible to win in overtime, score 0-0 via coin toss.
Perhaps your question was meant to ask "to what score are bouts fenced to?"
5 or 15, or until time runs out. | |
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09-15-2003, 02:30 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Artisan
5 or 15, or until time runs out. | Or unless you're a veteran, or a youth fencer . . .
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