08-27-2003, 07:02 PM
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#1 | | Just Joined
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| Question about Armor-color ;)
hi there
i`m new to the board so "hello all" 
i just wanted to ask, if there was black armor as well. the only thing i find in shops and so on is like white...and of coure the grey thingies...
but i´m curious of there was black fencing-clothing? and if it was allowed or not allowed on tournaments and so on
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08-27-2003, 08:38 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member
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| colored equipment
Its seems color has been slow entering the fencing world. I think it they want to ever bring fencing to the National popular level it could attain- that more color will have to be introduced. Of course many disagree with this idea.
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08-27-2003, 08:51 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member
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| There is black fencing gear available, but in the fencing community the color black has a special significance; black kit is reserved for teachers/instructors/coaches.
The USFA rules permit any color in tournaments below Sectionals; for Sectionals and NACs (and any international competition) the body [torso] must be "white or of a light color." But the arms/legs/mask/socks/shoes/glove can be any color you want.
But I would steer away from plain black clothing, unless you're a teacher, and then probably only at your own salle. I've never seen or heard of any fencing instructor wearing black in a competition, and it would be seen as unmitigated gall for a non-teacher to do so.
There is no great selection of colors on the market at the moment, but there's nothing to keep you from dying/sewing/painting your own, if you have the know-how and the patience.
Oh, and by the way...we don't wear armor. It's all canvas and/or spandex--nothing very "armor-like" about it. 
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08-27-2003, 08:54 PM
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| The USFA sanctions "pastel colors". . .
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08-27-2003, 08:55 PM
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#5 | | Senior Member
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| Actually, the USFA sanctions any color--at Division level and below.
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08-27-2003, 10:16 PM
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| I know the "pastel" rule but ive fenced with my red pbt lame at NACs and Nationals and asked and they said it was leagal at weapons check and all. So I gont know exactly how the USFA interprets "pastel"  | |
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08-28-2003, 12:20 PM
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| I've only seen white trousers with black stripes... | |
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09-08-2003, 04:41 PM
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| If you are really interested Triplette makes colored uniforms, masks, and lames. Others might as well, but I do not know who off the top of my head. Triplette gear tends to not have much of a taper to the waist, so be sure to talk to them at length as towho you would want it to fit if you ever decide to get any.
Good Luck!
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09-08-2003, 05:39 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Nusy
I've only seen white trousers with black stripes... | they'd be the adidias/allstar/i think you can buy them for uhlmann now, ones | 
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09-10-2003, 10:37 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by NJP3
I know the "pastel" rule but ive fenced with my red pbt lame at NACs and Nationals and asked and they said it was leagal at weapons check and all. So I gont know exactly how the USFA interprets "pastel" | Maybe they thought your lame was pink instead of red.
I've been purple, orange, and red (aka pink) lames to go along with the usual white/gray. You can go crazy and dye your own socks, but those stuck up foil fencers will make fun of you. | |
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09-10-2003, 02:15 PM
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| I usually wear bright orange socks at comps, but I've been known to wear "bumblebee" socks (black and gold stripes), too.  (I have to see Sam's socks one of these days, to see what all the hype is about.)
As for the snooty types--well, all I can say is that I've had worse things said about me by better people.
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09-10-2003, 03:29 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by NJP3
I know the "pastel" rule but ive fenced with my red pbt lame at NACs and Nationals and asked and they said it was leagal at weapons check and all. So I gont know exactly how the USFA interprets "pastel" |
PBT red? It's allowed by the F.I.E. rules, as I remember... But I better like the PBT Inox Ice Blue... | |
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09-10-2003, 06:16 PM
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| Sometimes they have been failed using the FIE rules. The problem is what is Pastel? The main reason for the rule is with the 'God of American Television'. The FIE wants to attract American Television. They think putting the name and country in boring block letters would appeal to American Televison. If you have a dark lame, you can't read the name as easily. Lack of contrast.
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09-17-2003, 08:46 PM
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| Given all of this, i'm assuming that something like grey pants with yellow stripes would also be acceptable, am i correct?
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09-17-2003, 09:54 PM
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| Only if everyone at the venue is colorblind... | |
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09-18-2003, 09:23 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Hyperion1250
Given all of this, i'm assuming that something like grey pants with yellow stripes would also be acceptable, am i correct? | Uh, probably "permitted" would be a better word--I'm not sure that grey with yellow could ever be acceptable to some people, speaking in a fashion sense --but, yes, you could wear them without contravening the rules.
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09-18-2003, 12:15 PM
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| I think that Hypherion may be talking about baseball style pants. I have seen them worn in place of knickers (not sure of the legality of this, but some look nice), as well as hocky/lacrosse pants (not sure which style).
Let not these rearward looking Evangelista-esque uniform Nazi's deter you Hypherion. Wear some color or flair with your kit. You do not have to be an international A to add some spiff to your uniform, espcially if you are fencing in school/team colors!
Good luck!
(just so I do not have to face Inquartata in a dark alley with his saber some day, let me add that the Evangelista crack was in good fun! )
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09-18-2003, 04:34 PM
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| I have seen both baseball pants and/or sweats worn for purely local competitions in the past, but they unfortunately are not legal for USFA competition.
Better to spiff up your regulation knickers.
(Inquartata hangs out in dark alleys with his saber? Really? There's more to the man than one would suppose at first blush... )
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10-06-2003, 09:48 PM
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| i fenced an epee competition yesterday, a local open..and as i was fencing i would look over and see people wearing white everything, except for a black glove..i wasn't in ther pool, so i didnt get to fence them and see how good they were, but it still disturbed me to see someone whos not a coach wearing black.. 
though it's strange, one coach at my club wears a black bibbed mask, black vest, and black glove..while my coach wears a regular mask, black vest and regular glove..i guess its all in the ego?
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10-09-2003, 05:26 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by lochinvar
There is black fencing gear available, but in the fencing community the color black has a special significance; black kit is reserved for teachers/instructors/coaches.
| what lochinvar says is true only for instructors.
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