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***Craig*** · 08-23-2003, 08:39 PM

2003 Division I Men's Foil Semi Final bout. Tiomkin vs. McClain.

9 - 10 minutes long.
256k streaming video in Windows Media format (WMV)

It's about 15MB in size.

Filmed with Handycam Digital 8

http://www.fencing.net/videos/Tiomki...2003DivIMF.WMV

(Up now.)

Craig

a517dogg · 08-23-2003, 10:48 PM

when i try to watch it it's all screwy, like the picture is very flashy.

JEC · 08-23-2003, 11:51 PM

Craig,
What do you think of my DVD compared to this video? I would like your honest opinion.
Thanks,
JEC

Windsor · 08-24-2003, 03:04 AM

Cool stuff, makes me want to go and buy some professional quality tapes.

whtouche · 08-24-2003, 04:03 AM

WHo is who, and who wins by what score?

Also: got any sabre bouts you care to upload?

wflaschka · 08-24-2003, 08:57 PM

Fencer left wins so that would be Tiompkin. McClain would be fencer right.

I may be wrong, I'm basing things on these results.

In the bout, there seems to be a few bad calls against fencer right. A few actions where fencer left is on the wrong side of the en garde line before the "Fence!" A few actions where fencer left starts early.

If I was fencer right, I might have said "No!" a few times after "Ready?", just to watch fencer left fall over, and generally futz with his mind. Or I might have walked off a strained ankle, just to mess with that bogus-feeling inertia of the bout. Fencer left and the director seemed to be feeding off each other towards the end. That said, fencer left owned the endgame.

***Craig*** · 08-24-2003, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by a517dogg
when i try to watch it it's all screwy, like the picture is very flashy.

I just ported the video directly to a file using windows movie maker. No other editing or cleaning was done to the file.

(There really aren't any editing tools within the free software. Will have to look on the net for some other stuff to clean up and post another version some time. I hope to get some commentary also.)

Craig

wflaschka · 08-24-2003, 11:23 PM

Too bad there's no Apple iMovie for Windows/Linux. That software is just SICK! Once you start making videos, you can't stop.

JEC · 08-24-2003, 11:34 PM

The Windows Movie Maker 2.0 is a pretty good product. However, the Pinnacle Studio 8.0 at less than $100 is probably the best choice. Then is Adobe Premiere suite at 1K or Final Cut Pro (for Mac's).

veeco · 08-25-2003, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wflaschka
Fencer left wins so that would be Tiompkin. McClain would be fencer right.

That is correct. You can't mistake Sean's fencing for anyone elses...

Quote:

In the bout, there seems to be a few bad calls against fencer right. A few actions where fencer left is on the wrong side of the en garde line before the "Fence!" A few actions where fencer left starts early.

Hard to know if the calls are correct or not since it's kind of hard to see the blades. However, there were a few calls that startled me and definitely Tiomkin was quite often on the wrong side of the line and did start early on a few actions.

Quote:

If I was fencer right, I might have said "No!" a few times after "Ready?", just to watch fencer left fall over, and generally futz with his mind. Or I might have walked off a strained ankle, just to mess with that bogus-feeling inertia of the bout. Fencer left and the director seemed to be feeding off each other towards the end. That said, fencer left owned the endgame.

I think at this point Sean was a little tired, he's just started fencing seriously again and his physical condition must not have been as good as Tiomkin's, which can explain why he was not fencing as well in the end than in the beginning. Jon was scoring on a lot of simple actions and Sean should not have been letting him do that. The more complicated the phrase was, the higher Sean's chances to score were. Since he's big, it's harder for him to move faster than Tiomkin who's comparatively shorter. It's quite funny to see this video as Tiomkin is the guy Sean had defeated in the final in 2001 to win his national title. This was the bout in which Tiomkin could get his revenge, and he did.

I think at one point the 2001 bout was on http://www.digitalfencing.com however this site is down now.

edew · 08-25-2003, 12:14 PM

I thought Sean beat Dupree in the 2001 National Championships.

Tiomkin was on the left relative to the referee and McClain was on the right. I was there to watch it. Basically Tiomkin broke McClain's will after two tremendous long attacks. Tiomkin has an incredible lunge. He can lunge from the on guard line and hit an opponent who's back to the two-meter line. And he did that several times against Sean. So for Sean, the distance was just too great. He didn't feel comfortable attack Jon from that equal distance and when he managed to parry (or distance-parry) Jon, he was too tentative in his forward action. When he decided to go hard to make up the distance, Jon would step in and counter. If Sean stepped slowly, Jon would parry and riposte (always to the square of the back) and Sean was just whipped (spiritually more than physically).

I didn't recall any bad calls, and I think Sean protested one or two mostly out of frustration rather than for outright justification.

D'Artagnan1673 · 08-25-2003, 01:31 PM

I have seen JEC's DVD and believe me, its nice. I even had my wife watching it with me and she enjoyed it a fair amount, I think

I love the instant replays after every touch, a nice touche if you know what I mean

vegan · 08-25-2003, 01:37 PM

Any way to view this on a mac??
Cheers,
B.

JEC · 08-25-2003, 01:39 PM

Is your MAC able to read a DVD+R disc?

vegan · 08-25-2003, 01:44 PM

Yeah,
I think so . . . why??
B.

edew · 08-25-2003, 01:48 PM

Macs, if they have iDVD or something similar (and a DVD-readable CD-ROM drive, of course), should be able to play any standard DVD.

Macs can also play .wmv files if they have the proper software. Don't know if that requires the correct version from M$ or if there's a plug-in to QT that allows for playing .wmv files.

JEC · 08-25-2003, 01:48 PM

The DVD that I produced is in the DVD+R format to be playable at most stand alone DVD players or computer players. If your MAC has a DVD player, then it should have a software player to playback the DVD content.

vegan · 08-25-2003, 01:51 PM

great-
How do I get one, and what exactly is on it??
B
Wow,
B.

JEC · 08-25-2003, 02:04 PM

2002 Men's Epee World Championship

- Individual Semifinals bouts and Final bout
- Gold Team Bout (Russia vs France) with 9 high quality bouts

After every valid touch in the DVD, I placed a slow motion replay that highlights the scoring action.

Craig is working out a deal for this DVD to be sold directly from Fencing Net to benefit/maintain the site.

wflaschka · 08-25-2003, 02:37 PM

Microsoft kindly created a "Windows Media Player for Macintosh OS X. Apparently it's available also for Mac OS9.

That's what I've been using. It's free, it fulfills most of my needs for viewing MS proprietary video formats. I couldn't find it on the MS site, but this might help: VersionTracker. NOTE: MS has a new version of the WMVs format (version 7? 9?) that IIRC handles digital rights management, but of course that version is not interoperable with prior versions (where da money at?); there is no Mac solution for videos encoded in this latest version.

Extra: For oddly-encoded MPEGs (aka, .AVI files), I've found MPlayer (also on VersionTracker) to be good. For all the rest, Apple Quicktime handles the universal formats.

Microsoft don't have a solution for Linux, because they feel threatened by open source. I've heard of some people playing WMVs in Linux under windows emulation.