[CFML] Old Vs. New in Footwear

[deepspeedltd@lineone.net]

Wow,

What a strange discussion to have and this really does raise a point I would
like to make.

Sometimes the old ways are better than the new ways and sometimes the new
ways are better than the old and by looking at what has been done and what
can be done it will be possible to grow as individuals.

To use period footware and state that injuries will not occur because we
are doing traditional movements is incorrect, all movements even walking
put stress on the body and if you can reduce stress by whatever means will
allow you to train for longer and harder. A mountaineer does not climb
moutains wearing footwear from the 1940s because it will damage him and
he knows that the latest footwear has support etc. There are plenty of
modern alternatives that do not grip but allow support Wrestling boots,
Boxing Boots, Dancing Shoes, fencing shoes (which seem the most appropriate)but
not slippers please. And about insoles although they offer support and
impact to the bottom of the feet they do not support the ankle. To reject
these because they are modern to me is wrong we should be striving to improve
practice and knowledge of those
historical masters and not get boxed into the 'You can only do this syndrome
because it has been writen'
that plagued Eastern Martial Arts for so long.

Because you are training in an historical art does not been you have to
suffer historical injuries.


Peter



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[JOHN CALLIOTT]

Hi everyone,
I'm a relatively new Classical fencer, and don't
claim to be an expert on anything. We look at fencing
as having evolved to near perfection in the 1800's.
But if dueling had continued beyond that time, weapons
and techniques would probably have continued to
change.
Am I wrong in thinking that the people who
adopted the latest techniques and weapons would have
spurned today's improvements? If some Baron were to
have a duel scheduled for tomorrow morning, would he
be wearing the best footwear available for the terrain
and conditions? Cheers. John
--- deepspeedltd@lineone.net wrote:
> Wow,
>
> What a strange discussion to have and this really
> does raise a point I would
> like to make.
>
> Sometimes the old ways are better than the new ways
> and sometimes the new
> ways are better than the old and by looking at what
> has been done and what
> can be done it will be possible to grow as
> individuals.
>
> To use period footware and state that injuries will
> not occur because we
> are doing traditional movements is incorrect, all
> movements even walking
> put stress on the body and if you can reduce stress
> by whatever means will
> allow you to train for longer and harder. A
> mountaineer does not climb
> moutains wearing footwear from the 1940s because it
> will damage him and
> he knows that the latest footwear has support etc.
> There are plenty of
> modern alternatives that do not grip but allow
> support Wrestling boots,
> Boxing Boots, Dancing Shoes, fencing shoes (which
> seem the most appropriate)but
> not slippers please. And about insoles although
> they offer support and
> impact to the bottom of the feet they do not support
> the ankle. To reject
> these because they are modern to me is wrong we
> should be striving to improve
> practice and knowledge of those
> historical masters and not get boxed into the 'You
> can only do this syndrome
> because it has been writen'
> that plagued Eastern Martial Arts for so long.
>
> Because you are training in an historical art does
> not been you have to
> suffer historical injuries.
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>


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[flechyr@interaccess.com]

I, for one, understand both sides of this issue, and have made a choice
for myself to use period footware. I am personally willing to accept
the risks of injury for this choice to better appreciate and understand
what period play was all about. Yes, there are modern options, but I
feel much more comfortable using what I do.

I am also a firm believer that the use of correct period items helps
one better understand what it was really like: e.g. When I made the
switch from using a schlager to using a Del-tin Bated Rapier Blade, my
brain went "AHH, that's what it feels like." So many of the moves and
positions made more sense, because I have a simulator that is very
close to what they were actually using in weight, balance and design. I
have had the same feeling of "enlightenment" when I switched to
fighting in more period clothing, and now, my more period shoes.

What it still comes down to is personal choice - as I said, I'm willing
to take the risk for what I feel is a better way to learn what I'm
learning, but if you don't feel comfortable doing so, fine. I still
think you may be missing out on some things, but its your choice.

Adam Velez

----- Original Message -----
From: deepspeedltd@lineone.net
Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:53 am
Subject: [CFML] Old Vs. New in Footwear

> <span><p><span><p>
>
>
> <tt>
> Wow,
>
>
>
> What a strange discussion to have and this really does raise a
> point I would
>
> like to make.
>
>
>
> Sometimes the old ways are better than the new ways and sometimes
> the new
>
> ways are better than the old and by looking at what has been done
> and what
>
> can be done it will be possible to grow as individuals.
>
>
>
> To use period footware and state that injuries will not occur
> because we
>
> are doing traditional movements is incorrect, all movements even
> walking
> put stress on the body and if you can reduce stress by whatever
> means will
>
> allow you to train for longer and harder. A mountaineer does not
> climb
> moutains wearing footwear from the 1940s because it will damage
> him and
>
> he knows that the latest footwear has support etc. There are
> plenty of
>
> modern alternatives that do not grip but allow support Wrestling
> boots,
> Boxing Boots, Dancing Shoes, fencing shoes (which seem the most
> appropriate)but
> not slippers please. And about insoles although they offer
> support and
>
> impact to the bottom of the feet they do not support the ankle.
> To reject
>
> these because they are modern to me is wrong we should be striving
> to improve
>
> practice and knowledge of those
>
> historical masters and not get boxed into the 'You can only do
> this syndrome
>
> because it has been writen'
>
> that plagued Eastern Martial Arts for so long.
>
>
>
> Because you are training in an historical art does not been you
> have to
>
> suffer historical injuries.
>
>
>
>
>
> Peter


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