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Old 08-05-2003, 12:19 PM   #1
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Oddly curved blade?

I don't know if any of you have seen this, but maybe you can help. My sabre blade (Blue Gauntlet S2000) has become curved along the narrow edge (not the way it bends when one does point-in-line). I will try to post a photo of this later. I want to know if this has happened to anyone else, if it is particular to BG blades, and if there is a way to re-straighten the blade.
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I have not used BG S2000s, but I have used a few blades that curve oddly. Did this particular curve happen after use or did it come that way? From the sound of it, it looks like this blade has less than perfect temper regardless (it happens from time to time). Please do post a photo if you can, I just reread your message and I am not sure I know exactly what you mean (assuming you are holding the blade out in front of you and have your thumb on top, do you mean the blades curves down?)
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I assume by the "narrow" edge you mean the cutting edge so the blade resembles a bend one would find in a cutlass or scimitar or some similar weapon.

I had a similar experience with a blade bending this way at a tournament and was immidietly told to switch weapons. It is against the rules to have any kind of bend along the cutting edge of the blade - I believe. Mine was not a BG blade, that I can remember. Infact I don't remember what type of blade it was but it was a Y section and all my attempts to bend it back into shape failed..

Your best bet is just to consider it as good as broken. If you can't bend it back, not only could you not use it legally in tournaments, you wouldnt want to as the bend along the cutting edge would displace the tip of your blade by nearly an inche depending on the severity of the bend, and that would mess with the distance of your cuts.


Good luck bending it back, but don't sweat it too much.
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The lighter BG S2000 sabre blades can get that bend in them pretty often, at which point I retire them. I use them because they're so light (and inexpensive), but some of them are a little soft. It does mean that you are making nice cuts with the "edge!"
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Yes, definitely retire a blade with a recurve in it. I have never had any luck fixing this sort of bend either.
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That's right, I meant the cutting edge. The blade is not drastically curved; I have never been asked to use a different weapon, and when I mess up a cut it's usually my fault, not the blade's.
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nice curtains!
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so it was window molding, not curtains!

my bad
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Yikes...

A couple of my friends just shelled out for that same blade type...a little pricy for dry saber, but they're both big saber fans...

I'll have to warn them about this possibility.
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That not a bad bend beside your are alllowed up to to 4CM of bend in a Sabre blade and I use to put a 4cm bend on the cutting edge



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Are you sure? I thought I remembered reading somewhere, possibly the rulebook, that a sabre blade could not had a bend along the cutting edge.

Besides, even if it is legal it's ill-advised as it would displace your tip by a slight margine from where you're used to it landing on your cuts.
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Whtouche- you're right. Tim- you're think about the wrong direction. You can have up to 4cm curve in the lateral direction but NO curve whatsoever in the plane of the cutting edge.

Quoteing from the rulebook:
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If the blade has a curve, it must be a distinct curve which must be continuous, and the deflection must be less than 4 cm. Blades with sharply bent extremities or which curve in the direction of the cutting edge are forbidden.
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