Golden Bouts Videos

[Craig]

There already exists a "Golden Bouts" video for foil.

What is the interest in similar videos featuring Pozdniakov for sabre and Kolobkov for epee?

Cheers,
Craig

[a517dogg]

Would it be only Kolobchov vs other fencers, or would there also be other fencers?

Also, how good would the quality be? I wouldn't want to pay for more handcam videos like from fencingfootage.

[wflaschka]

In the Golubitsky tape, it's the golden bouts that Golubitsky fenced to get the gold.

So, it sounds like the video would have Podzniakov and Kolobkov fencing their gold-medal bouts, against various other fencers who ended up 2nd.

I'm very into that. Especially if these guys talk about their inner mind-state during each bout. I was surprised the Golubizzle didn't talk more in his tape; if it was me, I'd be bragging like a viking. Is such a thing in the works?

[pkt]

Originally posted by wflaschka
... Especially if these guys talk about their inner mind-state during each bout. I was surprised the Golubizzle didn't talk more in his tape; if it was me, I'd be bragging like a viking. Is such a thing in the works?

I s'pose most champions don't like to brag for the simple fact that one day you are on top, the next you're not.

In F1, even the dominant Mi. Schumacher does not brag. It's just not an indication of good form.


In victory, one has to be magnanimous. Bragging is not magnanimous.



PK

[penguin]

but Goloubitsky does like to brag..............all the time, in fact. Can't shut him up.

[KShan5[PrFC]]

Originally posted by pkt
I s'pose most champions don't like to brag for the simple fact that one day you are on top, the next you're not.

In F1, even the dominant Mi. Schumacher does not brag. It's just not an indication of good form.


In victory, one has to be magnanimous. Bragging is not magnanimous.



PK

Except most champions do brag if you look at the popular pro sports. Ali, "I am the greatest!" Come on, now-a-days all the great pro sport stars have egos larger than the population of Beijing. The sporting era is becoming more premodona and less heroic by the minute. The great modesty from years past is declining and cockiness is rising. i.e. Randy Moss, Keyshawn Johnson, Tracy mcGrady etc. Sure there are still the "gentlman" of the sport such as Duncan and before him Barry Sanders, but that era is diminishing. And honestly, how many of todays star athletes care about "good form"?

[Peach]

If you watch carefully, you'll notice that most athletes, when interviewed by sports reporters, give the generic unassuming replies that were urged in the movie "Bull Durham." They learn to be cagey, blandly modest, and noncommittal, because otherwise the news media and their teammates will torture them.

[jspierre]

Somebody should track down Arnd Schmit and ask him stuff about his battles with Kolobokov. Put that on tape, inter-spliced during the periods in the DE bouts, and you'd have a pretty interesting mix of narration and video.

[jspierre]

Originally posted by Peach
If you watch carefully, you'll notice that most athletes, when interviewed by sports reporters, give the generic unassuming replies that were urged in the movie "Bull Durham." They learn to be cagey, blandly modest, and noncommittal, because otherwise the news media and their teammates will torture them.

Ok, but hv u ever seen the Golbitsky Golden Bouts vid?? He's anything but "cagey, blandly modest (!!) and noncommittal...he's a raving, huge fencing ego, and so seemingly unself conscious about his egotism that it's actually fun (or funny) to watch.

Look, fencers are characters, many of them...let's get them on tape, not like the soul-searching,"oh can I make it" stuff in the Westbrook saber DVD...let's see guys like Kolobkov or Elvis, or Poz speak candidly, in character about their intl fencing exploits...

[wflaschka]

Originally posted by jspierre
Ok, but hv u ever seen the Golbitsky Golden Bouts vid?? He's anything but "cagey, blandly modest (!!) and noncommittal...he's a raving, huge fencing ego, .... let's see guys like Kolobkov or Elvis, or Poz speak candidly, in character about their intl fencing exploits...

David Littell, ex-Olympic fencer, makes a nice point in his article A Championship Effort that since [1] fencing is difficult, and [2] mastery of anything is difficult, then [3] when a fencer says something like "I can't believe how bad I am" they are actually manifesting egotism. That is, they are crediting their capabilities too much, and not giving enough credit to the difficulty of the sport. This kind of modesty is actually arrogance in disguise.

I'm confused about what attitude is better, overall. Humility makes you coachable, but then competitive success feels undeserved or surprising. Egotism and expectation of success makes you a killer competitor, but often difficult to coach. Selective arrogance is probably the way to go.

In all things fencing, Golubitsky is indeed arrogant, but deservedly so. He's a benchmark for technique, right now. (I have a video of G losing to Cliff Bayer in a world cup, and G is in full prima donna mode; he actually tells Bayer, "You're fencing like a fool.")

[three_hundred_fifty_five]

Originally posted by wflaschka
... he actually tells Bayer, "You're fencing like a fool.")

I say that to all my competitors. What's the big deal? Get over it.

[wflaschka]

Originally posted by three_hundred_fifty_five
I say that to all my competitors. What's the big deal? Get over it.

Que? What's to get over?

[C.J.]

Beijing is not the most populated city in the world.

In fact, it's not even on the top ten list.

Here is the list:

1. Seoul - Korean Soul (Soul-t'ukpyolsi) - the capital city of South Korea, in ancient times the capital of the Baekje Kingdom (18 B.C. ~ 660 A.D.) 10,231,217
2. São Paulo - the largest city in Brazil and the capital of the captaincy (state) Sao Paulo, founded as São Paulo de Piratininga in 1554 10,009,231*
3. Bombay - Marathi Mumbai, capital of Maharashtra state, India, port to the Arabian Sea and one of the most densely populated cities in the world. 9,925,891
4. Jakarta - formerly (until 1949) Batavia, from (1949-72) Djakarta, largest city and the capital of Indonesia 9,373,900
5. Karachi - largest city and business capital of Pakistan. 9,339,023
6. Moscow Moskva - the political center and the capital of the Russian Federation, first written mention of Moscow dates back to 1147 8,297,056
7. Istanbul - formerly Constantinople, the largest city and seaport of Turkey 8,260,438
8. Mexico City - in ancient times the pre-Columbian city Tenochtitlán, today the capital city of the United States of Mexico, founded in 1325 8,235,744
9. Shanghai - One of the world's largest seaports and a major industrial centre of China. 8,214,384
10. Tokyo - the "Eastern Capital", formerly Edo (until 1868), the capital and largest city of Japan 8,130,408

[KShan5[PrFC]]

ummm, I never said it was, although I am fairly certain it has a large population. And, I think you missed the point.

[a517dogg]

Originally posted by C.J.
Beijing is not the most populated city in the world.

In fact, it's not even on the top ten list.

Here is the list:

1. Seoul - Korean Soul (Soul-t'ukpyolsi) - the capital city of South Korea, in ancient times the capital of the Baekje Kingdom (18 B.C. ~ 660 A.D.) 10,231,217
2. São Paulo - the largest city in Brazil and the capital of the captaincy (state) Sao Paulo, founded as São Paulo de Piratininga in 1554 10,009,231*
3. Bombay - Marathi Mumbai, capital of Maharashtra state, India, port to the Arabian Sea and one of the most densely populated cities in the world. 9,925,891
4. Jakarta - formerly (until 1949) Batavia, from (1949-72) Djakarta, largest city and the capital of Indonesia 9,373,900
5. Karachi - largest city and business capital of Pakistan. 9,339,023
6. Moscow Moskva - the political center and the capital of the Russian Federation, first written mention of Moscow dates back to 1147 8,297,056
7. Istanbul - formerly Constantinople, the largest city and seaport of Turkey 8,260,438
8. Mexico City - in ancient times the pre-Columbian city Tenochtitlán, today the capital city of the United States of Mexico, founded in 1325 8,235,744
9. Shanghai - One of the world's largest seaports and a major industrial centre of China. 8,214,384
10. Tokyo - the "Eastern Capital", formerly Edo (until 1868), the capital and largest city of Japan 8,130,408

That list is wrong. Cairo had over 13 million people when i visited in the mid 90s.

[JEC]

There is a difference between the population in the City of ... and the Metropolitan Area of... In the case of Mexico City, estimates of the Metropolitan Area of Mexico City vary widely between 15 and 22 million. I assume the same significant difference between City and Metropolitan area would be true for Cairo.

[a517dogg]

Originally posted by JEC
There is a difference between the population in the City of ... and the Metropolitan Area of... In the case of Mexico City, estimates of the Metropolitan Area of Mexico City vary widely between 15 and 22 million. I assume the same significant difference between City and Metropolitan area would be true for Cairo.

gotcha. What are the largest metropolitan areas then?

[jspierre]

Originally posted by wflaschka
David Littell, ex-Olympic fencer, makes a nice point in his article A Championship Effort that since [1] fencing is difficult, and [2] mastery of anything is difficult, then [3] when a fencer says something like "I can't believe how bad I am" they are actually manifesting egotism. That is, they are crediting their capabilities too much, and not giving enough credit to the difficulty of the sport. This kind of modesty is actually arrogance in disguise.

I'm confused about what attitude is better, overall. Humility makes you coachable, but then competitive success feels undeserved or surprising. Egotism and expectation of success makes you a killer competitor, but often difficult to coach. Selective arrogance is probably the way to go.

In all things fencing, Golubitsky is indeed arrogant, but deservedly so. He's a benchmark for technique, right now. (I have a video of G losing to Cliff Bayer in a world cup, and G is in full prima donna mode; he actually tells Bayer, "You're fencing like a fool.")

I think if you are talented, like G, egotisim is self-fufilling, espy in fencing, where it is an "asset", competitively speaking. I think that self-centeredness is inherent in personality, and modified one way or another through life experience. In G's case, his talents took him very far in the fencing world, bolstering his ego(which begot egotism), and when he learned that an over the top ego is a competitive weapon on the strip, he really let it fly in public - afterall, it became instrumental to his confidence and success resulted. So the two are intertwined.

It seems that G's ego didn't prevent him from being trained to top form.

Also, while a huge ego can manifest itself in great confidence and therefore competitive success, it's not the only route to accomplishment on the strip. Look at K. Smart. A more humble #3 world class saber fencer, I've never met (you know what I mean...). Smart is the epitome of humble, great humility, and, yes, very coachable but also a consistent compeitive performer in a weapon where is seems absolutely necessary to exude overweaning confidence as a necessary (if not sufficient) condition to even stepping on the strip and being taken seriously.