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***Craig*** · 06-12-2003, 02:45 PM

http://www.nyc2012.com/

Fencing is highlighted on the page right now.

Craig

KBayDog · 06-12-2003, 03:46 PM

Nice article, thanks Craig.

What do people think about the Games being in NYC?

As a native of that area (18 years in North Jersey), I am opposed to the idea. I recently spoke with Dr. Harvey Schiller (Chair, Management Committee) about the Plan. He had a rather convincing presentation on why NYC should get the Games; the Big Apple is certainly a sentimental favorite.

The Plan is ambitious: An "Olympic Stadium" is to be build on the Hudson, and East-West subway lines are to be installed.

For the most part, however, existing venues will be utilized heavily. MSG will be nearly 45 years old, Nassau Coliseum and Giants Stadium will be nearly 40 years old, Continental Airlines Arena will be nearly 30, and Yankee Stadium will be almost 90!

These antiquated venues (which are in dire need of replacement), along with the new infrastructure, will be left for NY-NJ to deal with long after the Games leave town. I am sure Montreal can tell us how much fun paying for the Games is...

Anyone who has tried to get a room, or use mass transit, in the NYC-area knows just how difficult things are on a normal day. Imagine how things will be during the Games.

Inconvenience aside, imagine the impact on business, as the City will be forced to a stand-still for the Games.

I hate to be so pessimistic, but I cannot see any good coming out of this. Most Olympic cities are "created" by the Olympics. Trying to force them into the world's largest city is akin to the "square peg into a round hole."

I am just glad that I will no longer have New Jersey residency when the bills start to come in 2013...

DHCJr · 06-12-2003, 06:39 PM

What your saying sounds like I have heard those words before. Now I remember it was in Los Angeles in the late 70's, early 80's.

The Coloseum was too old. In fact, the Coloseum wasn't even built for the '32 Olympics. It had been built almost 10 years before. In fact most of the facilities, including the Olympic Building was used, not built specifically for the Olympics.

THAT is why Montreal is still paying. They took your idea and built all new facilities. Sidney is also having the same problem.

They claimed, the city and the state will be paying for decades to come.

The traffic will come to a standstill.

Now let us look at what happened in '84. Traffic did not grind to a halt. The city and state are not in debt because of that. They are for other things. What happened was '84 was only the second Olympics to earn money. By the way '32 was the first, during the depresion.

In fact that money has started a High School Fencing league in Southern California.

I am not saying that New York will all be roses. It will take a lot of work, but they started right, by upgrading rather than building all new.

KBayDog · 06-12-2003, 06:54 PM

Glad this has all been said before...I sincerely hope I am wrong; if it does get the bid, I want it to be successful.

(BTW, I apologize for my skewed history; L.A. happened when I was 6, and Montreal happened two years before I was born! I have to rely on written accounts and not personal recollections).

Dee EffEll · 06-14-2003, 02:08 AM

"12 Things to Know About Fencing

1. Fast: The tip of the fencing weapon is the second fastest moving object in sport...."

OK, I'll bite. What is the fastest?

Some possible choices:
-my credit card on its way into the vendor's booths at a NAC. (ooohhhh....gold colored epee blades....mmmmm...)
-my coach running screaming into the night when it becomes painfully obvious that an advance-lunge with disengage is far, far beyond my ability (yaaaa....! what...a...hopeless...case....)(mmmmm....new career coaching little league softball....)
-my heart venticles. After I salute and put my fat @ss en guard...(must...lose... weight...OW! My @ss!)
-the door on my jail cell slamming shut after I use edew's credit card number to buy more gold colored eppe blades. (mmmm.....Alcatraz....)

Fencing. Right.

Dragonfly · 06-14-2003, 03:06 AM

Incredible, New York's a big state, it doesn't necessarily mean Manhatten. What about Long Island, I'm thinking of the Nassau County Colissium right next to Hofstra University. I used to live right around there and swam in the Hofstra Pool. They have great dorm facilities, it's the training camp for the NY Jets. I used to also jog a bit around there.

Okay, I added the link to my favorites, it looks great, they're already planning, I wonder where it'll be? Lucky for me I have relatives and friends all over New York... I can't wait already!

whtouche · 06-14-2003, 04:14 AM

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Originally posted by Dee EffEll
"12 Things to Know About Fencing

1. Fast: The tip of the fencing weapon is the second fastest moving object in sport...."

OK, I'll bite. What is the fastest?

Perhaps the ball in jaiali?
I dont even know how that's spelled. I know that's rediculously fast..

jusplainfencing · 06-14-2003, 04:32 AM

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the puck is no longer just a frozen piece of rubber. Almost magically, it becomes the fastest-moving object found in any sport.

it's hockey! i found this at.... www.nypost.com or heres the exact page for thoes who would like to read it themselves without searching

http://www.nypost.com/learncenter/ce...2103/class.htm

oh while searching for the information above i came across this site ....looks kinda cool ...

http://library.thinkquest.org/15340/home.html

KBayDog · 06-14-2003, 07:09 AM

Since we have drifted into a plane between fencing and hockey, how is THIS for a nightmare scenario:

Going corps-a-corps with Scott Stevens?

That would be a fencing-related injury to tell the grandkids about...

afc fencer · 06-14-2003, 11:23 AM

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the puck is no longer just a frozen piece of rubber. Almost magically, it becomes the fastest-moving object found in any sport.

Hmm I would think that the bullet from a shooting event would be faster.

graphixaddict · 06-14-2003, 01:04 PM

badmitton is pretty fast, the birdie in pro badmitton travels at over 200mph.
Graphix

Wizardly · 06-14-2003, 05:19 PM

12 things you should know about fencing...can half of this stuff be believed?

1 - where are the numbers??? How fast DOES it travel? Compare it to other sports!

3 - great, we're once again equating theater sword fighting with sport fencing.

8 - it's a little more than just target area. it would make me want to ask "why do they need 3 weapons?"

9 - is this really why we fence on strips? Really?

10 - didn't this change? if not, why not? as an outsider, wouldn't this give you the notion that fencing is anachronistic and quaint?

11 - 30 minutes? 3 3-minute periods, 1 minute breaks, 1 sudden death break, 1 minute sudden death period...I keep getting 11 - 13 minutes out of this. 10 minute medical break is still 23 minutes. What am I missing here? Kind of makes you wonder what the two fencers were doing for 7 hours.

12 - at the cost of women's team foil, no?

jusplainfencing · 06-14-2003, 10:56 PM

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Hmm I would think that the bullet from a shooting event would be faster.

you would think!,...i didnt think that it would be hockey either, but ive read that on three different sites now...do your own research and see if you can get somthing that says different...

Wizardly · 06-15-2003, 12:38 AM

I believe it said that the puck reaches speeds up to 100 mph. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some major league pitchers manage to get a baseball upwards of 100? What about after the hit? Isn't it going faster at that point? I've heard in badminton it gets upwards of 200 mph. Let's not forget laser-tag...

I think the moral of the story is:
1) don't believe everything you read
1a) believe even less of what you read in the news
2) beware of superlatives
3) it's easier to retract than it is to be accurate
3a) it's even easier to guess and be wrong

KBayDog · 06-15-2003, 01:40 AM

And let us not forget the speed of the action potentials generated by the athletes during their competitions (and at rest, for that matter...)

jusplainfencing · 06-15-2003, 03:17 AM

so i wonder what the number one fastest moving object in sports is then if it can't be a hockey puck? if anyone can find somthing and post it that would be cool since the sites are obviously wrong.

KBayDog · 06-15-2003, 09:11 AM

Since we are not counting action potentials as part of sport, here is what I have:

Official record for hockey puck: 105.2 mph (Al Iafrate, 1993 NHL "Skills Competition)

Official record for tennis ball (served): 149 mph (Andy Roddick vs. Andre Agassi, 14 Jun 03 Queen's Club)

If I had the ballistics for the shooting weapons, I could easily do the conversions.

Love it or hate it, auto racing is considered a sport...there are some fast "objects" there, too...

Philistine · 06-15-2003, 10:34 AM

In .Biathalon, the muzzle velocity of the buller (.22 caliber) is limited to a maximum of 380 m/s (which is 850 miles per hour). Other shooting events are probably somewhat higher.

Look here for references on various maximum speeds (neat site, compiled by a high school physics teacher by research done by his students) :

Jai alai ball -- 188 mph
Downhill Skiiing -- 151 mph
Bicycle -- 127 mph
Baseball Pitch -- 100.3 mph

--Philistine