More bad TV fencing.

I'm a little embaraced to admit that I actually saw this peice of drivel, but,
did anyone else out there see the so-called "fencing" on Joe Millionaire? They
used sword and dagger (apparently stage wepons) without the benifit of masks or
safe clothing in an obviously uncoriographed game of
let's-run-around-swinging-swords-at-each-other-in-an-unorganized-manner-an
d-call-it-fencing. I was holding my breath expecting a serous injury. Luckily
the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the noble art.

Jon

JFairch wrote:

>Luckily
>the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the noble art.
>
>Jon
>
>
I'll presume you're talking about fencing... <grin>

--
Amy and Joseph Kormann

JFairch wrote:

>Luckily
>the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the noble art.
>
>Jon
>
>
I'll presume you're talking about fencing... <grin>

--
Amy and Joseph Kormann

Amy & Joseph Kormann <ajkormann@monmouth.com> wrote in
news:3E3D0EF1.4030008@monmouth.com:

> JFairch wrote:
>
>>Luckily
>>the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the
>>noble art.
>>
>>Jon
>>
>>
> I'll presume you're talking about fencing... <grin>
>

Fencing AND stage combat were horribly insulted to the degree that,
whatever nobility you think they may or may not have, a case for
satisfaction could be made for either.

Amy & Joseph Kormann <ajkormann@monmouth.com> wrote in
news:3E3D0EF1.4030008@monmouth.com:

> JFairch wrote:
>
>>Luckily
>>the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the
>>noble art.
>>
>>Jon
>>
>>
> I'll presume you're talking about fencing... <grin>
>

Fencing AND stage combat were horribly insulted to the degree that,
whatever nobility you think they may or may not have, a case for
satisfaction could be made for either.

jfairch@aol.com (JFairch) wrote in message news:<20030202005636.27734.00000545@mb-mj.aol.com>...
> I'm a little embaraced to admit that I actually saw this peice of drivel, but,
> did anyone else out there see the so-called "fencing" on Joe Millionaire? They
> used sword and dagger (apparently stage wepons) without the benifit of masks or
> safe clothing in an obviously uncoriographed game of
> let's-run-around-swinging-swords-at-each-other-in-an-unorganized-manner-an
> d-call-it-fencing. I was holding my breath expecting a serous injury. Luckily
> the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the noble art.
>
> Jon

I didn't see the episode of Joe Millionaire, but I did see some pretty
bad TV fencing on Gilmore Girls recently.

David

jfairch@aol.com (JFairch) wrote in message news:<20030202005636.27734.00000545@mb-mj.aol.com>...
> I'm a little embaraced to admit that I actually saw this peice of drivel, but,
> did anyone else out there see the so-called "fencing" on Joe Millionaire? They
> used sword and dagger (apparently stage wepons) without the benifit of masks or
> safe clothing in an obviously uncoriographed game of
> let's-run-around-swinging-swords-at-each-other-in-an-unorganized-manner-an
> d-call-it-fencing. I was holding my breath expecting a serous injury. Luckily
> the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the noble art.
>
> Jon

I didn't see the episode of Joe Millionaire, but I did see some pretty
bad TV fencing on Gilmore Girls recently.

David

>I didn't see the episode of Joe Millionaire, but I did see some pretty
>bad TV fencing on Gilmore Girls recently.
>
>David

I saw that too. Ordinarily I am a huge fan of Gilmore Girls, but that was just
plain lame. I must admit it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it wasn't
what i was expecting, or at least hoping for, after watching the commercial.
The producers and directors need to try a little bit harder...or maybe alot
harder...
~Alison

>I didn't see the episode of Joe Millionaire, but I did see some pretty
>bad TV fencing on Gilmore Girls recently.
>
>David

I saw that too. Ordinarily I am a huge fan of Gilmore Girls, but that was just
plain lame. I must admit it wasn't as bad as it could have been, but it wasn't
what i was expecting, or at least hoping for, after watching the commercial.
The producers and directors need to try a little bit harder...or maybe alot
harder...
~Alison

On 02 Feb 2003 05:56:36 GMT, jfairch@aol.com (JFairch) held forth:

>I'm a little embaraced to admit that I actually saw this peice of drivel, but,
>did anyone else out there see the so-called "fencing" on Joe Millionaire? They
>used sword and dagger (apparently stage wepons) without the benifit of masks or
>safe clothing in an obviously uncoriographed game of
>let's-run-around-swinging-swords-at-each-other-in-an-unorganized-manner-an
>d-call-it-fencing. I was holding my breath expecting a serous injury. Luckily
>the only possible injury I saw was to the public's perception of the noble art.

I don't know about Joe Millionaire, but the "fencing" in the last Bond
flick was so facile it was frankly awful.
--
Cheers,
wreckferret
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On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:24:28 +0000 (UTC), wreckferret
<jerpxsreerg@hxez.arg> wrote:

>I don't know about Joe Millionaire, but the "fencing" in the last Bond
>flick was so facile it was frankly awful.

I haven't seen it. I'll wait to rent it. Regardless of the quality
of the fencing, it has generated interest in the sport. The inquiries
for beginners lessons jumped significantly after the movie came out.
Our two January classes are completely full.

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:24:28 +0000 (UTC), wreckferret
<jerpxsreerg@hxez.arg> wrote:

>I don't know about Joe Millionaire, but the "fencing" in the last Bond
>flick was so facile it was frankly awful.

I haven't seen it. I'll wait to rent it. Regardless of the quality
of the fencing, it has generated interest in the sport. The inquiries
for beginners lessons jumped significantly after the movie came out.
Our two January classes are completely full.

On 3 Feb 2003 20:36:11 -0600, Perry Quan
<ryersonfencing@yahoo.ca.invalid> held forth:

>I haven't seen it. I'll wait to rent it. Regardless of the quality
>of the fencing, it has generated interest in the sport. The inquiries
>for beginners lessons jumped significantly after the movie came out.
>Our two January classes are completely full.

I do understand what you're saying. A few so-inspired beginners have
come up to me and complained saying that fencing's nothing like what
it is in the film, as they're "forever" doing drills and suchlike. I
hope that the climate of "instant gratification" is not as widespread
as I cynically believe it to be. That people have to practise hard and
try new tactics is the main thing here, not just swing a piece of
metal about like some kind of demented Errol Flynn...
--
Cheers,
wreckferret
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In rec.sport.fencing on Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:13:52 +0000 (UTC)
wreckferret <jerpxsreerg@hxez.arg> wrote:
>
>I do understand what you're saying. A few so-inspired beginners have
>come up to me and complained saying that fencing's nothing like what
>it is in the film, as they're "forever" doing drills and suchlike. I
>hope that the climate of "instant gratification" is not as widespread
>as I cynically believe it to be. That people have to practise hard and
>try new tactics is the main thing here, not just swing a piece of
>metal about like some kind of demented Errol Flynn...

A lot of it depends on the instructor and the way the class "feels".

My fencing master is very good at motivating people.. He uses a lot
of humour, a lot of one-on-one, and the result is that people keep
coming back even though they don't get to "fight".

It's a skill and a talent - he's had a long time to develop!

The one-on-one is, I think, very important, and hard for a club with
more than a few people to do. He says that in Italy where he trained
they don't do much group lesson stuff at all, that it's all one on one
there, and that's what he prefers. We aren't paying him, he does it
for the love of it, I doubt a club that isn't so lucky would be able
to provide that sort of training.

Zebee

In rec.sport.fencing on Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:13:52 +0000 (UTC)
wreckferret <jerpxsreerg@hxez.arg> wrote:
>
>I do understand what you're saying. A few so-inspired beginners have
>come up to me and complained saying that fencing's nothing like what
>it is in the film, as they're "forever" doing drills and suchlike. I
>hope that the climate of "instant gratification" is not as widespread
>as I cynically believe it to be. That people have to practise hard and
>try new tactics is the main thing here, not just swing a piece of
>metal about like some kind of demented Errol Flynn...

A lot of it depends on the instructor and the way the class "feels".

My fencing master is very good at motivating people.. He uses a lot
of humour, a lot of one-on-one, and the result is that people keep
coming back even though they don't get to "fight".

It's a skill and a talent - he's had a long time to develop!

The one-on-one is, I think, very important, and hard for a club with
more than a few people to do. He says that in Italy where he trained
they don't do much group lesson stuff at all, that it's all one on one
there, and that's what he prefers. We aren't paying him, he does it
for the love of it, I doubt a club that isn't so lucky would be able
to provide that sort of training.

Zebee

> I don't know about Joe Millionaire, but the "fencing" in the last Bond
> flick was so facile it was frankly awful.

You know the fencing in the Bond movie was all put together by Leon Paul
fencing....they are advertising it on their site to no end. They supplied
the equipment and recommended fencers, plus a British national coach
apparently helped put together the action itself.

> I don't know about Joe Millionaire, but the "fencing" in the last Bond
> flick was so facile it was frankly awful.

You know the fencing in the Bond movie was all put together by Leon Paul
fencing....they are advertising it on their site to no end. They supplied
the equipment and recommended fencers, plus a British national coach
apparently helped put together the action itself.

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:31:59 -0500, "David H"
<dahingos@nospam.monarchelectric.com> held forth:

>You know the fencing in the Bond movie was all put together by Leon Paul
>fencing....they are advertising it on their site to no end. They supplied
>the equipment and recommended fencers, plus a British national coach
>apparently helped put together the action itself.

I'm well aware of all that. The problem as I see it was with the
choreography that the director and the screenplay writers wanted. I
don't think the coach and the fencers had free rein to do as they
liked...
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Cheers,
wreckferret
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> I'm well aware of all that. The problem as I see it was with the
> choreography that the director and the screenplay writers wanted. I
> don't think the coach and the fencers had free rein to do as they
> liked...

Maybe that is the case....

> I'm well aware of all that. The problem as I see it was with the
> choreography that the director and the screenplay writers wanted. I
> don't think the coach and the fencers had free rein to do as they
> liked...

Maybe that is the case....