Pat, this is my view from NYC

a very skillful attack

who profits?

-Israeli incursions in two P.A. towns
-the largest British fleet organized in eighteen years
"coincidentally" has been on route for days nearing the
Middle East for "maneuvers"
-America asking for coalition of global powers for
new "counter-insurgent" war... a planetary Vietnam.

Rather then seriously ask why people would kill
themselves and so many others, "we" put an answer in
their mouths and say, -Prez-"they attack us because we
are the bastion of freedom in the world." period....
Some introspection? No. Respect for the enemy? No.
Understanding the enemy? No. That is why the forces of
reaction do not know what the terms are or what to do.
These are the fruits of the politics of denial. We deny
the complaints of our victims, even deny they are our
victims, and blind ourselves to a planet of enmity.
Understanding this, as I have long fruitlessly preached
as a "lunatic", one must take one of three possible
courses: X) Understand ones position of domination, take
every defensive measure, and terrorize the dominated. Y)
Deny ones imperial position and be over run by a million
cuts Z) Discard past paradigms worn thin since times
before pharaoh, make a detente for all humankind and all
the rest of nature, including a transformation in our
relationships to the Earth and human to human.

The standing "American authorities" want solution Y with
a big war on the dispossessed, Islam, and the rest. It
would be the fourth world war since the sheep in America
seem to have missed the third one. Our "leaders"
are inept, impotent, and culpable in one of two ways.
First: For a second "hijacked" commercial jet to strike
the most critical concentration in the global capitalist
economy, twenty minutes after the first, and with no
military response, is profound negligence. Particularly
in the wake of the 1993 WTC attack, the success of this
attack is pure negligence...or... complicity. If it is
simple puerile negligence, then the governor of NY, and
the mayor of NYC, who are so busy congratulating and
patting each other on the back for what a great job they
have done, should resign in shame and utter humiliation
for their total failure. Also former governor Cuomo
should beg the forgiveness of his constituents and the
greater public. The joint chiefs of staff, as well as
all regional military and air commanders should resign
or be court-martialed for negligence. The current
administration as well as members of senate and house
intelligence and military committees should be removed
from office and placed under house arrest for extensive
questioning. The former administration should be
likewise detained. All planning staffs for civil
defense and air security should be detained and
questioned, if not court marshaled. That is if an enemy
attacked us. If there was, however, foreknowledge by any
elements of our government, there should be a grand
jury, and also a global response. There have been many
comparisons today and since the annihilation of the WTC
with Pearl Harbor, the attack on Hawaii in 1941. Years
of speculation over the absence of our vital air-craft
carriers at that attack, as well as myriad evidence,
points to a foreknowledge by F.D.R. which is confirmed
by a decade of public study of the code breaking facts
of Ultra Mega. Many times after Pearl Harbor the
British and Americans allowed their own troop ships to
go to the bottom rather than reveal to the enemy that
all their codes were useless. This was rationalized
then and now as expedient both to motivate the American
public to eagerness for war and to help finally win it.
Today what would be the motive? In a world that should
head for peace we have a threatened way of life, the
global capitalist military industrial "complex". In
need of perceived enemies and great battles, and willing
to accept at least a police state "counter-insurgency"
planetary domination system, would they sacrifice the
WTC? Symbolically it will inspire hundreds of thousands
of those disenfranchised with western freedom to fight
and seek training and organizations that can help them
achieve something so grand. There is our enemy, since
realistically China has not invaded its neighbors
significantly for a thousand year and is not likely to
threaten the U.S.(only Tibet, and maybe one of
Siberia.... wait and see-either way the U.S. never even
did anything about Tibet) So now around the world we
will have tight security which will not stop anything
and the police state planet NWO will attempt to take
control and will, basically if they are not stopped
here. Guilty or innocent the current authorities have
to go, for America and the Earth

Feel free to distribute my views...

What was it an attack against?

a view from NYC: 14sep2001

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He may scold difficult wrinkles, do you pour them?

OK, so what does this post have to do with fencing?? Your post is
off-topic.

Please, all forgive me for taking the bandwidth to respond to this, but
I feel I have to say something......

Your speculation on why this occurred, is along with other speculations
just speculations -- the speculations abound, and they are all just
speculations.

Sometimes it is just the simplest answer to what something is -- there
is no speculation needed. Like Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a
cigar.

Why would someone kill themselves you ask? Because they have been
brainwashed is the simple answer -- the human survival instinct is so
strong, that the only thing that can overcome it is brainwashing. Even
those who wind up doing this, have reservations about it beforehand and
consult their "spiritual leaders" beforehand. When it gets down to an
individual who is willing to kill themself, it is due to their absoulte
belief in such, which has been bred in them by their religion (note: not
the religion itself, but rather, by the influence of the militant
religious leaders that they consult), and when they have their moment of
doubt, a function of the human survival instinct, they are pushed into
it by their "spiritual leaders".

There is a saying, I can't recall who said it, but it goes like this:
Good men are good men, but religion is the only thing that can make good
men do bad things.

On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:32:11 GMT, Carol <ca.donohue@verizon.net>
wrote:

>OK, so what does this post have to do with fencing?? Your post is
>off-topic.

Carol: This is what is known as a "troll". It is a deliberate
attempt to stir up trouble. If you check the article headers, you
will find it has been cross-posted to other irrelevant groups. The
best thing to do is to ignore them, or report them to their ISP.

followups set to alt.dev.null

> If you check the article headers, you will find it has been cross-posted
> to other irrelevant groups. The best thing to do is to ignore them, or
> report them to their ISP.

The headers may be forged for the purpose of DOSing the purported ISP.
Unless you are certain that you can determine the actual source please
ignore these things.
--
John Hasler
john@dhh.gt.org (John Hasler)
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

"Carol" <ca.donohue@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3E0E52F2.9F8F741F@verizon.net...
> OK, so what does this post have to do with fencing?? Your post is
> off-topic.
>
> Please, all forgive me for taking the bandwidth to respond to this, but
> I feel I have to say something......

> Why would someone kill themselves you ask?

Because they were dismissed from a full-toss bowled by Michael Slater.

Duh.

Moby

As opposed to being a troll, which is designed to elicit a response on a
particular newgroup's content, this post is far more pervasive.

Since the originator's purported e-mail address is non-existant, I have
already forwarded the info to the ISP.

Why are you even reading a follow-up message to one that you think is a
troll???


Perry Quan wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:32:11 GMT, Carol <ca.donohue@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> >OK, so what does this post have to do with fencing?? Your post is
> >off-topic.
>
> Carol: This is what is known as a "troll". It is a deliberate
> attempt to stir up trouble. If you check the article headers, you
> will find it has been cross-posted to other irrelevant groups. The
> best thing to do is to ignore them, or report them to their ISP.
>
> followups set to alt.dev.null

"Carol" <ca.donohue@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:3E0E52F2.9F8F741F@verizon.net...

> There is a saying, I can't recall who said it, but it goes like this:
> Good men are good men, but religion is the only thing that can make good
> men do bad things.

Yeah blame it on religion for crossposting in wrong newsgroups

Carol wrote:

>There is a saying, I can't recall who said it, but it goes like this:
>Good men are good men, but religion is the only thing that can make good
>men do bad things.
>
>
In my experience, people who are inclined to do this, already had a germ
in them. Otherwise their survival instinct would kick in and they
wouldn't say, "Gee, never thought if it that way. Sure makes sense now."

--
Amy and Joseph Kormann

Carol <ca.donohue@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> Please, all forgive me for taking the bandwidth to respond to this,


Sorry, no. Apology rejected. Forgiveness denied. Shut the hell up, get
the **** out, and stay the hell away.

But thank you for asking.

what has all this crap got to do with football
"Oris" <lfggcozhs@myrpura.edu.ar> wrote in message
news:MPG.4743bed0af18@news.interbusiness.it...
> a very skillful attack
>
> who profits?
>
> -Israeli incursions in two P.A. towns
> -the largest British fleet organized in eighteen years
> "coincidentally" has been on route for days nearing the
> Middle East for "maneuvers"
> -America asking for coalition of global powers for
> new "counter-insurgent" war... a planetary Vietnam.
>
> Rather then seriously ask why people would kill
> themselves and so many others, "we" put an answer in
> their mouths and say, -Prez-"they attack us because we
> are the bastion of freedom in the world." period....
> Some introspection? No. Respect for the enemy? No.
> Understanding the enemy? No. That is why the forces of
> reaction do not know what the terms are or what to do.
> These are the fruits of the politics of denial. We deny
> the complaints of our victims, even deny they are our
> victims, and blind ourselves to a planet of enmity.
> Understanding this, as I have long fruitlessly preached
> as a "lunatic", one must take one of three possible
> courses: X) Understand ones position of domination, take
> every defensive measure, and terrorize the dominated. Y)
> Deny ones imperial position and be over run by a million
> cuts Z) Discard past paradigms worn thin since times
> before pharaoh, make a detente for all humankind and all
> the rest of nature, including a transformation in our
> relationships to the Earth and human to human.
>
> The standing "American authorities" want solution Y with
> a big war on the dispossessed, Islam, and the rest. It
> would be the fourth world war since the sheep in America
> seem to have missed the third one. Our "leaders"
> are inept, impotent, and culpable in one of two ways.
> First: For a second "hijacked" commercial jet to strike
> the most critical concentration in the global capitalist
> economy, twenty minutes after the first, and with no
> military response, is profound negligence. Particularly
> in the wake of the 1993 WTC attack, the success of this
> attack is pure negligence...or... complicity. If it is
> simple puerile negligence, then the governor of NY, and
> the mayor of NYC, who are so busy congratulating and
> patting each other on the back for what a great job they
> have done, should resign in shame and utter humiliation
> for their total failure. Also former governor Cuomo
> should beg the forgiveness of his constituents and the
> greater public. The joint chiefs of staff, as well as
> all regional military and air commanders should resign
> or be court-martialed for negligence. The current
> administration as well as members of senate and house
> intelligence and military committees should be removed
> from office and placed under house arrest for extensive
> questioning. The former administration should be
> likewise detained. All planning staffs for civil
> defense and air security should be detained and
> questioned, if not court marshaled. That is if an enemy
> attacked us. If there was, however, foreknowledge by any
> elements of our government, there should be a grand
> jury, and also a global response. There have been many
> comparisons today and since the annihilation of the WTC
> with Pearl Harbor, the attack on Hawaii in 1941. Years
> of speculation over the absence of our vital air-craft
> carriers at that attack, as well as myriad evidence,
> points to a foreknowledge by F.D.R. which is confirmed
> by a decade of public study of the code breaking facts
> of Ultra Mega. Many times after Pearl Harbor the
> British and Americans allowed their own troop ships to
> go to the bottom rather than reveal to the enemy that
> all their codes were useless. This was rationalized
> then and now as expedient both to motivate the American
> public to eagerness for war and to help finally win it.
> Today what would be the motive? In a world that should
> head for peace we have a threatened way of life, the
> global capitalist military industrial "complex". In
> need of perceived enemies and great battles, and willing
> to accept at least a police state "counter-insurgency"
> planetary domination system, would they sacrifice the
> WTC? Symbolically it will inspire hundreds of thousands
> of those disenfranchised with western freedom to fight
> and seek training and organizations that can help them
> achieve something so grand. There is our enemy, since
> realistically China has not invaded its neighbors
> significantly for a thousand year and is not likely to
> threaten the U.S.(only Tibet, and maybe one of
> Siberia.... wait and see-either way the U.S. never even
> did anything about Tibet) So now around the world we
> will have tight security which will not stop anything
> and the police state planet NWO will attempt to take
> control and will, basically if they are not stopped
> here. Guilty or innocent the current authorities have
> to go, for America and the Earth
>
> Feel free to distribute my views...
>
> What was it an attack against?
>
> a view from NYC: 14sep2001
>
> --
>
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> He may scold difficult wrinkles, do you pour them?
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