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hi5 · 03-11-2003, 02:52 PM

Who do you think will win the ncaas this year?

MS:
1. Ivan Lee
2.Tim Hagaman
3.Alex Weber

edew · 03-11-2003, 06:15 PM

Hasn't Ivan Lee graduated? I don't think he's still fencing for St John's at the moment. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For the overall team, my guess will be:

1. Penn State
2. Notre Dame
3. Ohio State
4. St John
5. Princeton
6. Stanford
7. Harvard
8. US Air Force
9. UPenn

hi5 · 03-11-2003, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by edew
Hasn't Ivan Lee graduated? I don't think he's still fencing for St John's at the moment. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nope, not yet. He is still in for the nationals. He didnt fence at the regionals because he is waived.
Here's a link for reference: http://www.redstormsports.com/pls/po...ease?p_id=2512

veeco · 03-11-2003, 08:27 PM

1. Penn State
2. Ohio State
3. St John's
4. Notre Dame
5. Air Force
6. UPenn
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
10. Temple

mfp · 03-11-2003, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by veeco
1. Penn State
2. Ohio State
3. St John's
4. Notre Dame
5. Air Force
6. UPenn
7. Princeton
8. Stanford
10. Temple

You like counting in base 9 or something?

edew · 03-11-2003, 09:26 PM

French style, I believe.

solomon hun · 03-11-2003, 10:49 PM

no offense, but you guys are rather uninformed in terms of NCAA predictions. firstly, you all forgot a little team named columbia, who won both the men's and women's ivy league championships. granted, the men shared with upenn, but i think they asserted their dominance of the ivy league by winning IFA's. furthremore, you guys are silly to discount st. john's so much. granted, they won't qualify 12 without joe fisher, but they more than make for it in strength. they have potential champions in kfir in foil, horvath in epee, and both isayenko and lee in sabre. i do agree with you that penn state is gonna win, but no way ohio state or notre dame unseat st. john's just yet.
i reckon it'll look something like this:
penn state
st john's
notre dame
ohio state
columbia
princeton
but hey, that's just my opinion, i could be wrong

edew · 03-12-2003, 01:38 AM

That's why it's a horse race. If everyone agreed, they don't even have to bother to fence the whole competition off.

U.M.Amherst.Sabre95 · 03-12-2003, 07:59 PM

Harvard is a program that could really make a move up in the rankings over the course of the next few seasons. A majority of their A & B slot fencers are freshmen, including:

Tim Hagamen: 4th-ranked nationally in Senior Men's Sabre
David Jakus: 42nd-ranked nationally in Senior Men's Sabre
Julain Rose: 17th-ranked nationally in Senior Men's Epee
Anne Austin: 32nd-ranked nationally in Senior Women's Foil.

There's some real talent there, and when you consider the strides the Crimson have made in just a little over a year... that's a lot of time to get even better.

Evan

solomon hun · 03-12-2003, 09:15 PM

i'd pick harvard to come in behind princeton. honestly, of the folks you mentioned, only hagamen has the ability to win 15+ bouts, and since harvard most likely didn't qualify more than six or seven, you're gonna need a few more big guns to dent teams that have 10+ fencers. that's not to take anything away from the names you mentioned. but in epee there's also wiercoch, horvath, gurevich, soren, solomon, jan, that other foreign dude on penn state, and in women's foil there's leahy, zimmerman, rostal, petchnig, ament, the thompsons, them crazy foreign chicks from penn state, that other foreign chick from notre dame, and in sabre there's ivan, isayenko, weber, parker, rogers, among others. basically, the ncaas are crazy hard, and while harvard have made some serious leaps, they still lack what it takes to run top five, or even six, in my opinion. and on the subject of harvard, don't forget chloe steinetorf, she's pretty good too.

a517dogg · 03-12-2003, 09:23 PM

i put:

notre dame
st johns
penn state

because a) isayenko and lee can finish 1 and 2, and weber only put 4th last year and i dont think marten zagunis is going to make top 8 or 10 for NCAAs.

b) penn state doesn't have as strong womens sabre as other schools

c) sobieraj and vivianni can both make first string all american for notre dame.

edew · 03-13-2003, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by solomon hun
i'd pick harvard to come in behind princeton. honestly, of the folks you mentioned, only hagamen has the ability to win 15+ bouts, and since harvard most likely didn't qualify more than six or seven, you're gonna need a few more big guns to dent teams that have 10+ fencers. that's not to take anything away from the names you mentioned. but in epee there's also wiercoch, horvath, gurevich, soren, solomon, jan, that other foreign dude on penn state, and in women's foil there's leahy, zimmerman, rostal, petchnig, ament, the thompsons, them crazy foreign chicks from penn state, that other foreign chick from notre dame, and in sabre there's ivan, isayenko, weber, parker, rogers, among others. basically, the ncaas are crazy hard, and while harvard have made some serious leaps, they still lack what it takes to run top five, or even six, in my opinion. and on the subject of harvard, don't forget chloe steinetorf, she's pretty good too.

Chloe's good, but she hasn't fenced competivitely for well over a year. All she's done are collegiate meets.

fencingguy · 03-13-2003, 10:56 AM

Ummmmm, just a quick point for all you St. John's fans out there....

They didn't get 12, in fact I think they only got 10, which really takes them out of the running. The teams to watch are Penn State, Ohio State and Notre Dame. They're the only teams that will probably have 12 at the tournament, and PSU and ND are still trying to get their 12th man in. Take those numbers into account when you're making you picks.

Also, there is only one foreigner on the PSU men's epee team, and one on the women's foil squad.

solomon hun · 03-13-2003, 12:06 PM

mmmmmm, yeah, i'm just gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you there....
while st. john's only has ten, all of them are incredibly high quality fencers, i'd say a good six of which have the potentiall to win their respective weapon. notre dame and penn state are both fairly weak in women's sabre, a weapon that st. john's is pretty strong at. furthermore, the penn state women have some weak points in women's foil as well. i dunno, it's gonna be a close one...i think it pretty much depends on everyone's performance on that particular day...

fencingguy · 03-13-2003, 12:19 PM

No team has ever won NCAAs with 11 fencers, let alone 10. No matter how strong a team is, it is nearly impossible to overcome the lack of 2 people's points. Even the worst fencer at the tournament is going to win 5 bouts, and the "weak" fencers on the PSU team are FAR from the bottom fencers in the tournament. Their women's sabre is strong enough to win 36 bouts, as is their women's foil. Besides it's not like ND and PSU have bad fencers. Each one of their weapons has some of the best fencers in the country, and in some cases, the world.

No matter what the rest of St John's does. They will not overcome a 36 point defecit.

So as I said: the teams to watch are PSU, ND and OSU

mifencer · 03-13-2003, 01:21 PM

earlie · 03-13-2003, 01:32 PM

Don't not expect an upset in the rankings, be bold and predict fire and fun. Slomo

edew · 03-13-2003, 01:33 PM

The list of competitors have not been posted on the NCAA website. I suspect it will be posted by next week this time.

DHCJr · 03-13-2003, 01:54 PM

Considering the Westerns won't be held till the 23rd, I doubt they will post before then unless it is only a partial list. The fencers from the West won't be decided before than.

edew · 03-13-2003, 02:12 PM

Western Regionals were held last weekend (or rather, the weekend before).

Stanford will be bringing seven fencers:

Florian Reichling and Steve Gerberman for MF
Robert Owens for MS
Martin Lee for ME

Iris Zimmermann and Eva Petschnigg for WF
Megan Everett in WS

They may have one or two additional via wildcard.