Transparent Fencing Mask

[Julie C.]

Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?

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http://www.fritsch-associes.com/images/Prieur.jpg

[Peter Hoffmann]

Hi,

please, not again this discussion ;-)

Ok, it my own opinion, but i don't like and i don't want to use such
masks and would never use it.

Greetings,
Peter

"Julie C." wrote:
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> Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?
>
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> http://www.fritsch-associes.com/images/Prieur.jpg

[Julie C.]

> Ok, it my own opinion, but i don't like and i don't want to use such
> masks and would never use it.

Ok. But my question is not if you personnally like or dislike transparent
masks. Does anyone actually use those masks?

[Peter Hoffmann]

ok sorry, you're right.

there was only one fencer i saw, who used a transparent mask. not the
one, you showed. it was, ithink three and a half year ago.

sorry, i'm curious, but: why do you ask sp especially for that mask?

Peter

"Julie C." wrote:
>
> > Ok, it my own opinion, but i don't like and i don't want to use such
> > masks and would never use it.
>
> Ok. But my question is not if you personnally like or dislike transparent
> masks. Does anyone actually use those masks?

[Julie C.]

> sorry, i'm curious, but: why do you ask sp especially for that mask?

Several years ago, the main objective for the FIE was to make the
transparent mask obligatory. Now that I'm back into fencing, I wonder what
happened to this goal. (I stopped completly because of illness. It was too
heartbreaking to keep up with the fencing scene without being able to fence
myself.)

[Thomas Buesing]

At the Jr. Olympics two weeks ago, I was with Elaine Cheris (#1 US
fencer -2000) and she introduced me to Zivkovic, who invented the
transparent mask. She used them extensively.

Tom

"Julie C." <no-spanner@127.0.0.0> wrote in message
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> Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?
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[Joseph Haig]

"Julie C." <no-spanner@127.0.0.0> wrote in message news:<oiB9a.1165$945.4011@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>...
> Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?
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Here is an excellent article on the transparent mask:

<http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/F...sks/masks.html>

;-)

Bye,

Joe

[Peter Hoffmann]

and how many others used them too?

i just looked again at the pic, and there are several things, what make
me have a negative opinion to those masks. that are the same problems
and questions as some yeras ago.

Peter

Thomas Buesing wrote:
>
> At the Jr. Olympics two weeks ago, I was with Elaine Cheris (#1 US
> fencer -2000) and she introduced me to Zivkovic, who invented the
> transparent mask. She used them extensively.
>
> Tom
>
> "Julie C." <no-spanner@127.0.0.0> wrote in message
> newsiB9a.1165$945.4011@tor-nn1.netcom.ca...
> > Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?
> >
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> > http://www.fritsch-associes.com/images/Prieur.jpg

[Julie C.]

> Here is an excellent article on the transparent mask:
>
> <http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/F...sks/masks.html>

Thank you. ROTF. I like very much the comparison with the Power Rangers.

I would like to see a more stylish, maybe more colourfull, suit, but masks
like the butt ugly ones made by Leon Paul. By the way, have you notice that
in the movies (Star Wars, Power Rangers, etc.) the designers always choose
tinted vizors to hide the face?

=)-----

[Fencerbill]

In article <oiB9a.1165$945.4011@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>, "Julie C."
<no-spanner@127.0.0.0> writes:

>Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?

Saw one as I was testing at the Intercollegiate fencing Championships last
Saturday at Boston College.

It was by Zivkovic.The fencer, don't recall the name, said she replaces the
faceplate, about $15, every several months as it gets scratched. She liked it.
Haven't seen too many others.

Bill Hall

[Jonathan Jefferies]

I know of one individual who purchased one perhaps two years ago
and used it for a while. I believe he discontinued using it due to
condensation. Certainly that would be an issue for any such mask
as it is for glasses as well.

Speaking of which what is the favored solution for keeping glasses
clear? I've tried a number of silicone derived spray ons and one
silicone wax - called "Cat Crap"- and still have a problem. Any
good tricks out there?

J.

Julie C. wrote:
>>Ok, it my own opinion, but i don't like and i don't want to use such
>>masks and would never use it.
>
>
> Ok. But my question is not if you personnally like or dislike transparent
> masks. Does anyone actually use those masks?
>

[Zebee Johnstone]

In rec.sport.fencing on Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:47:45 -0800
Jonathan Jefferies <jonathanjefferies@alamedanet.net> wrote:
>
>Speaking of which what is the favored solution for keeping glasses
>clear? I've tried a number of silicone derived spray ons and one
>silicone wax - called "Cat Crap"- and still have a problem. Any
>good tricks out there?
>

Motorcycle riders use a couple of solutions for fogging visors, may or
may not work for glasses. Most are various things you apply to the
surface, like the raw and of a cut potato, or lemon juice.

But the one most swear by is a thing called "Fog City" which is a film
you apply to the inside of the visor. It is removable, and seems to
be optically OK, so it might be worth a try for just when you are
fencing.

Zebee

[michel]

Dans le message <oiB9a.1165$945.4011@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> du Thu, 6 Mar
2003 00:48:01 -0500, Julie C. déclama la prose suivante
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I Saw a british fencer who fences epee world cup events.
I fenced once against him in a french tournament, and I didn't really
fence because I was afraid to touch him on the mask.
I also saw an australian fencer who also fenced epee world cup events,
and who came training in my club.
I wore his mask and it was heavier than my "classic" mask, so it was
surprising. As I have really pains in the neck, I couldn't wear it for
more than thirty seconds because of the weight.

--
Pour répondre :
mrfencer[at]fnac[dot]net

[Jonathan Jefferies]

Hi Zebee,
Thanks for the thought, but fog city is actually a plastic
shield which has a ridge around the outside which has a glue.
You mount the fog city shield on regular mask and it creates
the equivalent of a double paned glass window. Effective but
requires a large m/c helmet shield size object to mount to.

So far a combination of "cat crap" and blowing has been my
most effective answer. Some venue's and some weather conditions
it's not a problem. Others it gets so bad I can't see my
opponent. Fence by sound and smell, I guess.

j.


Zebee Johnstone wrote:
> In rec.sport.fencing on Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:47:45 -0800
> Jonathan Jefferies <jonathanjefferies@alamedanet.net> wrote:
>
>>Speaking of which what is the favored solution for keeping glasses
>>clear? I've tried a number of silicone derived spray ons and one
>>silicone wax - called "Cat Crap"- and still have a problem. Any
>>good tricks out there?
>>
>
>
> Motorcycle riders use a couple of solutions for fogging visors, may or
> may not work for glasses. Most are various things you apply to the
> surface, like the raw and of a cut potato, or lemon juice.
>
> But the one most swear by is a thing called "Fog City" which is a film
> you apply to the inside of the visor. It is removable, and seems to
> be optically OK, so it might be worth a try for just when you are
> fencing.
>
> Zebee

[Robert Smith]

On Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:47:45 -0800, Jonathan Jefferies
<jonathanjefferies@alamedanet.net> wrote:

>I know of one individual who purchased one perhaps two years ago
>and used it for a while. I believe he discontinued using it due to
>condensation. Certainly that would be an issue for any such mask
>as it is for glasses as well.
>
>Speaking of which what is the favored solution for keeping glasses
>clear? I've tried a number of silicone derived spray ons and one
>silicone wax - called "Cat Crap"- and still have a problem. Any
>good tricks out there?
>
>J.
Spit works. I used to fog up something shocking before I discovered
new, improved, spit. Just lick the lenses all over, and put 'em back
on. Don't dry them, as it removes the miracle ingredient.

Actually, the best solution for me was contact lenses. I made the
switch after taking one too many hits to the head and having the frame
of my glasses break. Now, I buy a six month supply of monthly wear
disposable contact lenses, wear them for around three months each, and
then toss them. As I only use them for fencing, they last way longer
than the recommended month. I sweat copiously, mostly from the neck up
it seems, which occasionally results in very dry eyes, so I carry a
small bottle of contact lens solution with me to clean the lenses if
things start to blur.


Robert Smith

[Harold Buck]

In article <MPG.18d1e4ccd814e38a9896b9@news.wanadoo.fr>,
michel <mrfencer@free.fr> wrote:

> Dans le message <oiB9a.1165$945.4011@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> du Thu, 6 Mar
> 2003 00:48:01 -0500, Julie C. déclama la prose suivante
> |Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?
> |
> |___
> |http://www.fritsch-associes.com/images/Prieur.jpg
> |

I saw someone wear one in our state high school tournament about 7 years
ago. Talk about dorky looking! Oh, and so was the mask.

Anyway, I've heard the big problem is that they fog up. As you can
imagine, this is very annoying. So they put fans in some models to try
to keep the lexan from fogging up. I heard that the fans aren't shielded
well, and someone cuthis finger on it.

The lexan can also scratch up. One idea was to make the lexan window
removable. But then sometimes, if it got hit just right (wrong?), the
plate would pop out during the bout. This is not a great feature.

I heard all of this second-hand, so I can't swear any of it is true.


--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

[Harold Buck]

In article <3E67C76F.8000206@alamedanet.net>,
Jonathan Jefferies <jonathanjefferies@alamedanet.net> wrote:

> Hi Zebee,
> Thanks for the thought, but fog city is actually a plastic
> shield which has a ridge around the outside which has a glue.
> You mount the fog city shield on regular mask and it creates
> the equivalent of a double paned glass window. Effective but
> requires a large m/c helmet shield size object to mount to.
>
> So far a combination of "cat crap" and blowing has been my
> most effective answer. Some venue's and some weather conditions
> it's not a problem. Others it gets so bad I can't see my
> opponent. Fence by sound and smell, I guess.
>


I don't know how you're going to be able to smell anything besides that
cat crap!

--Harold Buck


"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

[Fencerbill]

In article <3E67B3F1.7020809@alamedanet.net>, Jonathan Jefferies
<jonathanjefferies@alamedanet.net> writes:

>Speaking of which what is the favored solution for keeping glasses
>clear? I've tried a number of silicone derived spray ons and one
>silicone wax - called "Cat Crap"- and still have a problem. Any
>good tricks out there?
>

I avoid fogging problems by making sure that there is ventilation. I make sure
there is a gap between the bottom of the frames and my cheeks. Then there is
enough air flow so there is no fogging.

I wind up with only a few frames in the optical shop that will have the
required gap. It also means that the lenses are not the biggest. Specially if
you are looking for frames without adjustable nose pieces that will give you a
gap.

You also have to be careful as glasses with wire mounted nose pieces get older.
They usually spread so that the glasses sit lower and the gap between cheek and
frame disappears.

Nosepieces are very difficult to adjust, try going to the optician and tell him
what you need. If your present glasses don't have a gap you can perhaps adjust
the nosepieces to give you one.

Bill Hall

[Peter Harrison]

I talked to Zivcovic at NAC in Sacramento. He sells a little fan that you
put in the mask, which would work for the transparent ones and for glasses I
would think. You might tend to get dry eyes, and you do have to handle the
extra weight of fan an a couple of AA batteries, which is not that much.
Peter
"Harold Buck" <no_one_knows@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:no_one_knows-A0F085.18573006032003@netnews.attbi.com...
> In article <MPG.18d1e4ccd814e38a9896b9@news.wanadoo.fr>,
> michel <mrfencer@free.fr> wrote:
>
> > Dans le message <oiB9a.1165$945.4011@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> du Thu, 6 Mar
> > 2003 00:48:01 -0500, Julie C. déclama la prose suivante
> > |Does anyone actually use a transparent mask?
> > |
> > |___
> > |http://www.fritsch-associes.com/images/Prieur.jpg
> > |
>
> I saw someone wear one in our state high school tournament about 7 years
> ago. Talk about dorky looking! Oh, and so was the mask.
>
> Anyway, I've heard the big problem is that they fog up. As you can
> imagine, this is very annoying. So they put fans in some models to try
> to keep the lexan from fogging up. I heard that the fans aren't shielded
> well, and someone cuthis finger on it.
>
> The lexan can also scratch up. One idea was to make the lexan window
> removable. But then sometimes, if it got hit just right (wrong?), the
> plate would pop out during the bout. This is not a great feature.
>
> I heard all of this second-hand, so I can't swear any of it is true.
>
>
> --Harold Buck
>
>
> "I used to rock and roll all night,
> and party every day.
> Then it was every other day. . . ."
> -Homer J. Simpson

[Julie C.]

Found on a French Web site:

One year ago, the French Fencing Federation banned the use of masks with
transparent visors in national competitions for safety reasons. Since then,
their manufacture evolved and the new tests are satisfactory. The French
Fencing Federation thus lifts the ban : transparent masks approved by the
FIE and marked with the C.E. seal are now authorized.

Pierre ABRIC
President of the French Fencing Federation
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Il y a un an, nous avons été amenés Ã* interdire l’utilisation des masques Ã*
visière transparente dans les compétitions fédérales pour des raisons de
sécurité. Depuis lors, leur fabrication a évolué et les nouveaux tests sont
satisfaisants. La Fédération Française d’Escrime lève donc l’interdiction :
Les masques Ã* visière transparente agréés pas la Fédération Internationale d
’Escrime et marqués C.E. sont autorisés.

Pierre ABRIC
Président de la Fédération Française d’Escrime