I'm very hesitant about disagreeing with Dan Dechaine, but as a ref, armorer and fencer, I'd my first inclination is to say it's not.
I think I'd have to hold one to be sure.
But Dan says it's OK, I just wonder if everyone else will.
Didn't Bruno Royer develop a similar type of grip that was legal and then not?
Can't remember.
Paolo
"He is a man of splendid abilities but utterly corrupt. He shines and stinks like rotten mackerel by moonlight." "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats."
I bet if I created a lump like that out of tape on a standard french grip and presented it at a NAC, or had it challenged at a local event, nine out of ten times it would be ruled illegal.
We've already had a discussion on this on another thread. I was talking to a friend last night and he pointed out that the design wasn't actually new. He used something very similar about 30 years ago. At the time it was ruled illegal. He also said that that didn't make it illegal now but that it should go to Dos Santos for a proper opinion.
We've already had a discussion on this on another thread. I was talking to a friend last night and he pointed out that the design wasn't actually new. He used something very similar about 30 years ago. At the time it was ruled illegal. He also said that that didn't make it illegal now but that it should go to Dos Santos for a proper opinion.
Given that Dos Santos tends to make decision on things based on if he simply likes it or not (screwless tips, anyone?), I'd say going by him alone would be a mistake.
Given that Dos Santos tends to make decision on things based on if he simply likes it or not (screwless tips, anyone?), I'd say going by him alone would be a mistake.
Actually I thought that Dos Santos' criteria was whether or not he had seen it before (seems to have been his approach with the screwless tips, and possibly also with the diagonal-crossed safety straps which according to rumor was also approved by Dan before being rejected by Dos Santos).
In any event, in the end so long as Dos Santos is the one with the authority his opinion will continue to be the only one that really matters.
Given that Dos Santos tends to make decision on things based on if he simply likes it or not (screwless tips, anyone?), I'd say going by him alone would be a mistake.
Do I have to say, "I'm not American. Sorry." Again?
From the picture, it appears that a pommeler would have essentially a prong/extension to work with. K'ON's point about tape is a good one.
Not sure what Dan is/was thinking... but I'd get a second opinion.
I'd have to ask him, but from what I've seen of the grip, it's less an actual prong you could easily hook a finger around and more like a sloping increase in the dimensions...I don't see someone posting with it having the same grip advantage as someone with an actual prong or l-bracket hanging off it....
I'd have to ask him, but from what I've seen of the grip, it's less an actual prong you could easily hook a finger around and more like a sloping increase in the dimensions...I don't see someone posting with it having the same grip advantage as someone with an actual prong or l-bracket hanging off it....
My initial thought having looked at it is that it would probably be awesome for holding "traditionally", but if anything it would be worse for pommeling.
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My initial thought having looked at it is that it would probably be awesome for holding "traditionally", but if anything it would be worse for pommeling.
I can see where the increase at the back might help holding it traditionally...and wasn't it designed more for coaching anyway?
I bet if I created a lump like that out of tape on a standard french grip and presented it at a NAC, or had it challenged at a local event, nine out of ten times it would be ruled illegal.
K O'N
Use more than two layers of tape and it wouldn't matter what shape you'd made, it'd be illegal anyway. It doesn't look to me like it'd actually be very good for posting. However, if I've learned one thing it's that some schmuck will think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread...especially if it's deemed illegal.
And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.
Use more than two layers of tape and it wouldn't matter what shape you'd made, it'd be illegal anyway.
Mr Oliver was kind enough to answer some questions for me via PM, which I hope he won't mind me quoting here, one of which was about this. He said that "the "two turns" of tape was an off the cuff remark, not a firm policy.", and that a more definite policy is being worked on.
It doesn't look to me like it'd actually be very good for posting. However, if I've learned one thing it's that some schmuck will think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread...especially if it's deemed illegal.
No kidding.
I don't think it looks very good to post with either.
Mr Oliver was kind enough to answer some questions for me via PM, which I hope he won't mind me quoting here, one of which was about this. He said that "the "two turns" of tape was an off the cuff remark, not a firm policy.", and that a more definite policy is being worked on.
K O'N
Ah, well thanks for that bit of enlightenment. I don't suppose you have a notarized copy of that statement to use at the next NAC check in party? Not that anyone would be a pain about 3 wraps or anything...no one's that literal are they? :-)
And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.
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